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Truez
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia147 Posts
December 15 2010 10:11 GMT
#41
I dunno, I max Q/W and leave E for last. That way she can dominate team fights with a 7s cd aoe poison - combined with her ult she's got pretty good utility for the team.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
December 15 2010 11:07 GMT
#42
Played with and vs her like every game today. She reminds me of swain..... >.>
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 15 2010 11:18 GMT
#43
yeah i maxed q and w first as well, e just doesnt seem to do much except give some lane control, i could be wrong tho
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
ZeeMan
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia66 Posts
December 15 2010 11:43 GMT
#44
I tried leveling Q/W first but its just useless for killing anybody in lanes, they have ages to realise that their health is low and they should b. You need the burst that comes from e. Might be better in teamfights, but there weren't that many that game.

I prioritise R>Q>E>W, but i get one level of W early for the slow and a second chance poison if I miss my Q. R>E>Q>W would also work, but I tend to land a lot more Q's than E's, because of the range, so I go for that first.
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
December 15 2010 14:59 GMT
#45
My feelings on her mirror others after fighting against her a couple times last night. She was fairly difficult to deal with during the laning phase, mostly because it was hard to see where the hell her damage was coming from at times, but once the game progressed she turned into an easy kill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
December 15 2010 15:29 GMT
#46
What is the range on Twin Fang compared to Urgot's Q? (Not counting missile lock.)
Is Twin Fang targeted or is it a mouseover?
She seems like a funny mix between him and Karthus.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 15:40:35
December 15 2010 15:37 GMT
#47
twin fang is targeted, idk whats with the comparison between her and urgot, the two feel vastly different, especially in how hardcore urgot RAPES in lane vs this shitty little snake, the only thing is that she has a poison cloud that mildly synergizes with a poke, thats the only real comparison you can make between the two. srsly, wtf is this cass = urgot nonsense

edit: @ waveofshadow, based on your post you clearly havnt played her, just trying to make a frame of reference, this isnt @ you even tho it may seem like it, i just keep hearing that cass is like urgot in lp and in games and its popped up in this thread too and you simply reminded me of it. sorry
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
December 15 2010 17:38 GMT
#48
On December 16 2010 00:37 barbsq wrote:
twin fang is targeted, idk whats with the comparison between her and urgot, the two feel vastly different, especially in how hardcore urgot RAPES in lane vs this shitty little snake, the only thing is that she has a poison cloud that mildly synergizes with a poke, thats the only real comparison you can make between the two. srsly, wtf is this cass = urgot nonsense

edit: @ waveofshadow, based on your post you clearly havnt played her, just trying to make a frame of reference, this isnt @ you even tho it may seem like it, i just keep hearing that cass is like urgot in lp and in games and its popped up in this thread too and you simply reminded me of it. sorry

Haha I guess I struck a nerve there.
Don't worry I won't let anyone compare a shit character to our beloved Urgot, I just wasn't aware she was shit as I've only seen her played once so far. Though I suppose considering how many games I've played since the patch and I've seen SWAIN more than her...I guess that says something.

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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 16 2010 13:47 GMT
#49
lol, i'm not even sure that she's bad, she seems ok enough, its just that these ppl who keep comparing her and urgot probably havnt even played 3 games with urgot, so they have no idea what they are talking about, and that just bugs me for some reason (i am very protective and proud of my urgot, he is a very special boy)
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 17 2010 01:40 GMT
#50
Fat. That be Urgot.
Yeah. He's really ugly too.
Yeah I just went there.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 17 2010 01:44 GMT
#51
ive come to the conclusion without playing her that she's bad and that anything she can do any other caster can do better.

also shes boring and ugly as fuck

not buying this one

riot get your shit together
see this champion?
boom.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
December 17 2010 01:55 GMT
#52
While we're bashing Cass, her death animation is awesome, but her death scream makes me want to find a kitten and rip it apart.
And then eat it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
December 17 2010 05:06 GMT
#53
Eh? She looks good to me. I'll probably blow my next 6300 on her and see if she's as underrated as teemo/poppy
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
December 17 2010 05:36 GMT
#54
The best use for her I've found so far is that her deeps is so amazing that she completely annihilates Dragon and Baron. They go down so fast with so little help.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 17 2010 18:40 GMT
#55
I hate laning against this chick. But it's all worth while when she dies.
Retvrn to Forvms
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
December 18 2010 12:42 GMT
#56
I don't think she's top tier by any means, but pretty playable. Working on a build
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
December 18 2010 19:07 GMT
#57
I've only played 3 games with her and she is definitely very fragile but her dps is insane.

At first I was, "ok, she spams so AA staff seems like the right idea"

When I was sitting at 1k health at lvl 9 with a tear I knew it wasn't going to work.

So I did a similar build to what I use on kass and I had great success with

sapphire crystal + hpx2
cata
boots 1
RoA
zhonya
void
blah blah whatever is needed
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
December 18 2010 20:17 GMT
#58
I dunno I really don't have much positive to say about this champ....every game I have ever seen her in she has fed and the team who owned her lost.

I can see where the damage is supposed to be happening but by the time she can dish it out there are other players who can do it better and she is SO squishy.
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symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 22:31:28
December 18 2010 22:27 GMT
#59
On December 19 2010 05:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno I really don't have much positive to say about this champ....every game I have ever seen her in she has fed and the team who owned her lost.

I can see where the damage is supposed to be happening but by the time she can dish it out there are other players who can do it better and she is SO squishy.

I think people are being too pessimistic about her and she depends a lot on a health centric build early on imo. I've been experimenting with cata --> rylai's --> banshee's and cata --> RoA --> Rylai's, and I haven't really had many survivability problems and her damage is still insane without a ton of AP items at first.

I also run ghost/cleanse and kiting with her is really good, def with rylai's so her Q ups her movement speed while slowing down her opponent's.

Overall, I think she'll get stronger and stronger as people get more experience with her.

EDIT: Also, her skilling is really interesting. I've been doing QEQWQR R > Q > W > E but I think I'm going to change that since I can be more aggressive with the new builds I'm going to try out. Something like QEQEQRQW R > E > Q > W. I just don't feel like W does that much early on except give a second attempt on a poison if you miss your Q.
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 23:27:23
December 18 2010 23:25 GMT
#60
On December 19 2010 07:27 symbolic wrote:
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On December 19 2010 05:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno I really don't have much positive to say about this champ....every game I have ever seen her in she has fed and the team who owned her lost.

I can see where the damage is supposed to be happening but by the time she can dish it out there are other players who can do it better and she is SO squishy.

I think people are being too pessimistic about her and she depends a lot on a health centric build early on imo. I've been experimenting with cata --> rylai's --> banshee's and cata --> RoA --> Rylai's, and I haven't really had many survivability problems and her damage is still insane without a ton of AP items at first.

I also run ghost/cleanse and kiting with her is really good, def with rylai's so her Q ups her movement speed while slowing down her opponent's.

Overall, I think she'll get stronger and stronger as people get more experience with her.

EDIT: Also, her skilling is really interesting. I've been doing QEQWQR R > Q > W > E but I think I'm going to change that since I can be more aggressive with the new builds I'm going to try out. Something like QEQEQRQW R > E > Q > W. I just don't feel like W does that much early on except give a second attempt on a poison if you miss your Q.

Indeed, I think you are on the right track here. Health items are superior, as she gets focused super hard and puts out loads of item-independent DPS.

I believe that MS% quints and masteries are mandatory so that you can run Mercs and still be faster than everybody else.

I also agree that ghost/cleanse is the right way to go. You get focused and CC'd tons, which completely shuts down your ability to do damage (unlike a burster such as Annie)-- so the ability to absorb this and walk away is a great benefit to your team as well as yourself. It also lets you get away with coming in close to blow your ultimate without being at quite as much risk for instant death.

Tear is fun but you are just too squishy.

I'm running 0/14/16 - SoS, Cleanse mastery, and utility up to and including MS%. I'm still playing with runes, but ATM it's Mres/level blues, mpen reds, mp5/lvl yellows, MS% quints.



As for skills, I think to be optimal you want to be maxing E and then Q for raw damage, but the slow on your W is actually really good (particularly when you have rylai's), so I think W is worth maxing after E and over Q.
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
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