EPT[Champion] Veigar - Page 5
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 30 2010 04:29 BlackPaladin wrote: I've always done r>q>e>w, The stun is too invaluable imo. Imba AoE stun ftw. ya i do the same, not to mention that excess dmg that you got for lvling w is kinda wasted when your stun doesn't last long enough to hit them. technically it might be better for farming and might be an option against a heavy pusher like sivir, but the benefits of a longer stun are too great to try and eke out just a little more dmg (imo, imo, imo ofc and all that) | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
The build would look something like meki => sorc boots => DFG/kindlegem (order depending upon how much defense you need). From there, I'd get some big +AP item -- probably zhonya or whatever batshit crazy +AP replacement Riot has in mind when Zhonya is taken out -- adding defense as needed. Nontheless, I think that the DFG/kindlegem gives Veigar a ton of damage, a fairly spammable AoE stun, and reasonable defense for a caster at a relatively cheap price. I'll have to play with it some more. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
Locket got nerfed (literally) to nothing | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 30 2010 09:36 Abenson wrote: Can you update the guide? Locket got nerfed (literally) to nothing You'll probably have to wait a bit for another unique build to develop. "Standard" Veigar play is probably mana crystal => sorc boots => catalyst => DFG => Rod of Ages. Some swap out the RoA for Rylais. Skill order is usually QEQWQR, R>Q>W>E. | ||
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Fruscainte
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![[image loading]](http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/6246/lolveigar.png) First game as him in 6 months. At least 6-7 of those assists were all mine then the Yi Q'd in and took them. He's probably the easiest champion in the world to play, especially with laned with a Kassadin (He went like 19-2-15 I believe too) | ||
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Navi
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:17 Navi wrote: plz don't duo lane two ap carries together kthx Yah, I should have laned with the Miss Fortune who it was his first game as that character and was level 10 instead. And I sure as hell am not going to lane with two of the randoms, I only lane with people in my party so we can coordinate on vent. As far as I'm concerned, two AP carries coordinated on vent are more efficient than some random and an AP carry (mainly because the two other people on our team were horribad and kept feeding) On March 13 2011 07:24 Slayer91 wrote: His stun spell is really good. his burst is great too, think his early game is weak though. His early game is monstrous. You can harass so well with his Q, and get such a high AP rating early on if you keep last hitting it's ridiculous. I think I got like 60 AP from my Q before I ran out mana. Not to mention, if you push their minions back early on, it's nigh-impossible for them to do anything since of Dark Matter, and it's impossible for them to get first blood at all since Event Horizon is retarded good. | ||
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eagle
United States693 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:24 Slayer91 wrote: His stun spell is really good. his burst is great too, think his early game is weak though. I've never been very impressed with his stun. It has good AoE and range, but it's cooldown is stupidly long, and you can't really afford to level it without sacrificing significant damage. Like various other parts of his kit, it's super-good late-game but is somewhat lackluster until you get there. On March 13 2011 07:24 Fruscainte wrote: Yah, I should have laned with the Miss Fortune who it was his first game as that character and was level 10 instead. And I sure as hell am not going to lane with two of the randoms, I only lane with people in my party so we can coordinate on vent. As far as I'm concerned, two AP carries coordinated on vent are more efficient than some random and an AP carry (mainly because the two other people on our team were horribad and kept feeding) I believe the correct choice there then is to pick a jungler. On March 13 2011 07:24 Fruscainte wrote: His early game is monstrous. You can harass so well with his Q, and get such a high AP rating early on if you keep last hitting it's ridiculous. I think I got like 60 AP from my Q before I ran out mana. Not to mention, if you push their minions back early on, it's nigh-impossible for them to do anything since of Dark Matter, and it's impossible for them to get first blood at all since Event Horizon is retarded good. What? I'm pretty sure Veigar's early laning is well-acknowledged as being fairly poor. On March 13 2011 09:19 eagle wrote: i think building cdr boots into deathfire is way to go max cdr is great on him lets u build up q ap faster and spam hard in teamfights and ur ult is up more too You don't want to itemize CDR cap on a champ that's high blue buff priority. It's a waste of gold to spend money itemizing a stat that you will overcap yourself on more than 50% of the time. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
His laning is shit though and he's useless until level 18 with 203480238423 Q farm. <3 Veigar though. I think he has really really strong midgame burst. The buff on his R helped a bunch, and if you've been really passive in lane, wait till you're level 11, then you suddenly burst them down really hard if they're not careful. Then you can start roaming around since I think he has a pretty good roaming gank. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On March 13 2011 11:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Veigar is my "main." Best champion ever. His laning is shit though and he's useless until level 18 with 203480238423 Q farm. <3 Veigar though. I think he has really really strong midgame burst. The buff on his R helped a bunch, and if you've been really passive in lane, wait till you're level 11, then you suddenly burst them down really hard if they're not careful. Then you can start roaming around since I think he has a pretty good roaming gank. I love his roaming power the most, as you put it. Although I gave his early game too much credit a few posts back, I was pretty meh for most of the early game. Then out of nowhere, I hit level 11 and had my Deathfires Grasp and Sorcerer's Boots and just went into beast mode. I could just run around Event Horizon, Dark Matter, Primordial Burst, Ult, and then Deathfire Grasp. Even their tanks were dying in almost 2 seconds from the retarded burst I had. This just kept going on and on and on. I'm sure it's attributed to the fact that they were bad as hell, but I can see myself playing Veigar more now. <3 Veigar So much more fun than Ryze. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On March 13 2011 11:54 Fruscainte wrote:I could just run around Event Horizon, Dark Matter, Primordial Burst, Ult, and then Deathfire Grasp. What.....? Primordial Brust IS his ult. His q is Baleful Strike. Generally if you land a stun you can w -> q -> DFG -> ult -> q when off cooldown. You want to w first b/c it takes time to land, and q b/c of the short cooldown. You want to DFG early in your combo b/c it does damage based on their current health so you want them near full when you use it. Generally 1 q's damage outweighs the few damage difference you might get from DFG if they weren't hit from q. Your ult is always the last in your combo and only should be used if you can't finish them with 1 more q. To judge that though you need experience knowing your burst potential with X number of AP vs X number of MR. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Mathematically: DFG vs deathcap For comparing purposes, lets give veigar a blasting wand to make the price closer to deathcaps cost. 2610 + 860 = 3470 gold vs 3600 Assume veigar with 60 AP (reasonable to assume -> 60 last hits with q) DFG: 60 AP + 40 (BW) + 60 = 160 deathcap: 155 + 60 + 30% of total = 215 + 30% (65) = 280 AP ratios: q = .6 - DFG - 96 // Deathcap - 168 = difference of 72 w = 1 - DFG - 160 // Deathcap - 280 = difference of 120 r = 1.2 (not including 80% of target AP) - DFG - 192 // deathcap - 336 = difference of 144 Total difference = 336 damage DFG does 30% of target's current hp +3.5% per 100 AP. Say the person has only 1200 hp. That's 360 damage with 0 AP. In this example with veigar having over 100 AP that would mean it does ~33.5% (402 damage). Both are magical and both are reduced by MR the same way. So even with only 1200 hp it will do more damage than a deathcap. Even if you include another q, it will still do equal damage at the very least. Generally most casters will buy a catalyst during lanning anyway though, (carries often stack 2-3 dorans) and will have over 1500 (sometimes much more) by the time you can get DFG + blasting wand/deathcap. You also need to consider that the utility that DFG gives from the mana regen as well as CDR is invaluable on veigar since DFG + runes and masteries + blue buff = maxed CDR or near max and veigar is so mana hungry. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On March 13 2011 13:52 BlackPaladin wrote: What.....? Primordial Brust IS his ult. His q is Baleful Strike. . Whatever, I dont have all this shit memorized yet  | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
his early game is shit, but just play passively until you hit q lvl 4 and have farmed about 40-50 ap with q, and you can harass the shit out of the opponents. it's so funny. | ||
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