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Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
December 23 2011 16:38 GMT
#241
Ah okay, thanks for the answers, I missed the point that it was DFG vs. deathcap.
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Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
December 23 2011 19:03 GMT
#242
On December 23 2011 22:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
DFG is at all points of the game more burst damage for lower cost than deathcap. If you have hat but no DFG you can burst someone down to like 40% health and then they live and you won't get another chance to kill them if they just run to the back without you running through all their bruisers to try to get to them. The point was on DFG vs. Deathcap. If you need more AP after DFG by all means get the hat.

If anything you get Sorcs early game and then sell for Mercs, you never gets Mercs then sell for Sorcs. Well, i never do anyways @@ Spellblade is a very cost inefficient item, and also slot inefficient since you're going to be limited by slots later on anyways. Don't really like the item. Mercs give more tenacity anyways and the added bonus of some MR. Spellblade is probably one of the worst items in the game lol.


Er. All the tenacity items give 35 now, for the record.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
December 23 2011 19:06 GMT
#243
Oh do they? Oh well spell blade is still terrible
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 23 2011 21:18 GMT
#244
has anyone else noticed that its almost impossible to run oom on veigar now? the way his passive works the tiny reduction in mana costs seems to of made a huge difference D:
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
December 23 2011 23:14 GMT
#245
Well at my low level I run oom pretty quickly tbh. Especially early game, but maybe that's because I don't build mana anymore after the patch. I like to get around 70 AP farm before my first b with veigar, if i can allow it
SlyPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 24 2011 02:26 GMT
#246
I agree that running oom with veigar is very difficult, I usually build an Arch Angel Staff so mana is a plenty and spamming dark matter is oh so fun.
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Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
December 24 2011 06:03 GMT
#247
See that is something I have been wondering. Pre-patch, I ran ToG into Archangel's, but now I just feel it isn't necessary, and there are much more viable items for those precious 6 spots. Maybe I should go back to getting tear, but I don't like it, especially when I can go back easily since I take flash/teleport. in most of my games I do get RoA, so the extra mana is nice for spamming meter to farm minion waves, but that is one of the only mana items I get.
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-24 17:33:19
December 24 2011 17:30 GMT
#248
Was playing a normal 5-man premade yesterday, and after carrying through the mid-game as jungle Rammus, our Veigar just took over late game and with DFG people were dropping like flies. He even full combo'd the enemy Shen 100-0 when he had FoN Warmogs and Mercs boots o_0

granted he could only pull off the full full combo every 1 minute but even a single Q-W thrown into the mix would nearly destroy a squishy

dat burst is too incredible. Also taunt + circle-stun is too good, whichever way you do it.
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
December 26 2011 02:17 GMT
#249
On December 23 2011 20:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Ideal Veigar end game items:

Core (4): DFG, Void Staff, Deathcap, Merc Treads

Choose 2: Hourglass, QSS, Banshee Veil, Guardian Angel (roughly in order of prevalence, though obviously depends on situation each game)

Order of importance: Red Pot, Oracles, Blue Pot, Green Pot(lol)

With masteries/Blue/DFG, you should be max CDR anyways, and Blue pot adds minimal additional AP to what should be massive AP in the full item situation we're describing here. Earlier in the game usually Blue Pot is preferable, but again, depends. End game 200 HP > 40 AP for Veigar tbh. Oracles is good if you're maxed, relieves some burden for Support so they can build aura items.


Notice that Sheep doesn't even buy wards.
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SlyPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States25 Posts
December 30 2011 01:55 GMT
#250
On December 25 2011 02:30 FieryBalrog wrote:
Was playing a normal 5-man premade yesterday, and after carrying through the mid-game as jungle Rammus, our Veigar just took over late game and with DFG people were dropping like flies. He even full combo'd the enemy Shen 100-0 when he had FoN Warmogs and Mercs boots o_0

granted he could only pull off the full full combo every 1 minute but even a single Q-W thrown into the mix would nearly destroy a squishy

dat burst is too incredible. Also taunt + circle-stun is too good, whichever way you do it.



I agree with Fiery Balrog, DFG has always been a viable option for Veigar. I typically grab it for a beefy opposing team, I would just advise using DFG as your opener or else the affect is not nearly as great.
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Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
December 30 2011 03:59 GMT
#251
So a couple weeks later...what's the conclusion on openers? Is Meki -> Tears of the Goddess still pretty good? Boots+3 -> Dorans, Dorans? Boots+3 -> Tears of the Goddess? All match-up dependent?
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HAL9OOO
Profile Joined January 2011
United States176 Posts
December 30 2011 04:50 GMT
#252
You pretty much always have to start boots + 3 pots if your going AP mid vs. competent opponent. Dorans ring if they suck.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
March 02 2012 16:16 GMT
#253
Okay, I was pretty confident in my veigar skills until yesterday. Usually, I'd be able to beat down most mids easily, farm well, keep myself from getting ganked and get some kills/assists in other lanes too.
Then I faced a kennen mid (this was the like the first time in a couple months strangely enough) and I felt completely useless. I couldn't harrass him because he would just outrange me and do more damage than I could do before I could even get my bale on him. Once he got his ult he could tower dive me+ignite+other skills and kill me while still being able to get away if I didn't have my ult. I really had no idea what to do vs him and ended up underfarmed for most of the game, never reaching deathcap. Is there any advice as to what opening I should do against him or how I should play against him? Would be much appreciated
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MindBreaker
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States574 Posts
March 02 2012 17:00 GMT
#254
On March 03 2012 01:16 Dark_Chill wrote:
Okay, I was pretty confident in my veigar skills until yesterday. Usually, I'd be able to beat down most mids easily, farm well, keep myself from getting ganked and get some kills/assists in other lanes too.
Then I faced a kennen mid (this was the like the first time in a couple months strangely enough) and I felt completely useless. I couldn't harrass him because he would just outrange me and do more damage than I could do before I could even get my bale on him. Once he got his ult he could tower dive me+ignite+other skills and kill me while still being able to get away if I didn't have my ult. I really had no idea what to do vs him and ended up underfarmed for most of the game, never reaching deathcap. Is there any advice as to what opening I should do against him or how I should play against him? Would be much appreciated

Don't vs kennen. He is a douche. Lol but realistically I find kennen mid to be really hard to lane against. My best advice is to keep moving and avoid as many of his skillshot as possible if you do that you should be able to beat him
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ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
March 02 2012 17:03 GMT
#255
One thing that annoys me about veigar is that late game no matter how bad he plays he still does amazing damage on AP champions that do well because of his ultimate. Hard champion to play though. And btw, he IS evil xDD
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Synthesis
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada167 Posts
March 13 2012 18:13 GMT
#256
Veigar has quickly become one of my favourite champions to play. He's just so, so strong and being able to combo almost anyone is very addicting.

I just finished a little highlight for him:

turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
March 13 2012 18:22 GMT
#257
On March 03 2012 02:03 ODKStevez wrote:
One thing that annoys me about veigar is that late game no matter how bad he plays he still does amazing damage on AP champions that do well because of his ultimate. Hard champion to play though. And btw, he IS evil xDD


i find that late game he is so strong mostly because of aoe stun

such a strong ability in team fights, although it is true, no matter how bad you laned you can still 1 shot enemy aps
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 07 2012 07:52 GMT
#258
I like veig. I generally max W and the stun. I like the range of the two spells and with a long stun, as long as the enemy mid doesn't build tenacity, I feel like I can always hit them with my W in time. I get a lot of mana regen so this stun W combo is possible. W also lets me push the lane which seems really important since maxing a single target nuke as an AP carry makes me one of the slowest pushers in the game.

The lack of escapes really sucks so I ward and stay on the side of the ward. I really have to be careful that I know I can one shot my enemy, since veig's sustained damage is quite low, but when the enemy team is very squishy, veigar just shines.
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juked
Profile Joined May 2010
United States691 Posts
May 07 2012 08:56 GMT
#259
You should Max your Q because you use it the most. Then I get like to get Stun to lvl 2-3 before i get 1 pt in W. W isn't any good if you can't land stun and also when you get W at lvl 8 you'll have alot of AP so it hurts with the 1:1 ratio to start.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 09:21:00
May 08 2012 09:20 GMT
#260
On May 07 2012 17:56 juked wrote:
You should Max your Q because you use it the most. Then I get like to get Stun to lvl 2-3 before i get 1 pt in W. W isn't any good if you can't land stun and also when you get W at lvl 8 you'll have alot of AP so it hurts with the 1:1 ratio to start.

I know. But Q has such a short range that I often doubt I can use it to trade effectively (in that sense it's just as reliant on the stun) and it can't push as well as w. Just using it on creeps uses a lot of mana, but it's fine if the enemy lets me farm due to veigar's passive.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
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