[Champion] Veigar - Page 12

On December 17 2011 09:06 HAL9OOO wrote:
The Veigar discussions in this thread make me just facedesk. So I might as well chime in with some of my own ideas:

1. DFG or deathcap as first item is situational, but more and more I am going for deathcap and asking for blue. Unless the person you are laning against is retarded you are not going to kill them in one burst. They will have mr/hp runes/dorans items/catalyst. Either way you will not kill them in one burst. Deathcap gives you the ap to wear them down with q or if you have blue stun w q until they are at an hp that you can burst them down.

I think under the same idea, that dfg would allow you to harass someone down in the same time with the cdr and mana regen. You also have a higher cutoff can-burst-kill threshold. I still don't see how deathcap is better than deathfire.

2. Rune properly, general runes that work well almost all the time are mpen reds, flat mana regen/level yellows, ap/level blues and flat AP quints. This gives you a lot more power and lets you win more trades while giving you flat regen which combined with your passive and boots start lets you use your skills more and still have movement speed and hp pots. If you are doing ranked you can also have a page for flat mr blues if there are going to be casters that will really give you problems.

3. Starting items should be boots 3 pots, dorans ring or null magic mantle x2 pots. Sapphire crystal if you really want catalyst, though I almost never get it, I would only get it against people like morg or sion who are going to push all day and you are going to need that extra hp and mp sustain. Otherwise, I either get chalice boots against abusive magic dmg opponents like leblanc for unlimited mana and 30 mres or I stack dorans rings. I usually get 2 or 3 dorans rings per game. This gives you the mana you need while having a lot of AP.

That's smart. Beating leblanc by getting a lot of MR. I'm thinking she could still wear you down a little though unless you got either health pots or health regen. Is it ever a good idea to go FoN first vs Leblanc?

4. Smartcast everything except for e. Smartcast q, w, r ignite. Remember ignite has the lowest range at 600, q and r at 650. When you are killing someone stun w ignite then q and r. Part of playing veigar is knowing how much dmg you do. With practice/frequent adding up your dmg from skills you should be able to kill people within some of the last ticks of ignite. You get a feel for it.

but it's so hard to learn new stuff QQ. Btw there's a way to turn preference onto champions when smartcasting so if you miss, you hit a champion.

5. Everyone says veigar doesn't win his lane and he farms q all game until he blows people up late game. That is false. I would say veigar is actually best mid game and sucks worse late game. Late game everyone has GA/Banshees/Warmogs/QSS and its a lot harder to do anything. Mid game you can q people to death if fed. Veigar doesnt win his lane because people focus too much on q farming when they could be q killing. Stacking early ap from dorans runes and 21 offense masteries can make you really win trades. The only problem with veigar, same with people like twitch is range. Lots of casters like ari brand cass ori have more range which is why you cannot just run straight up to them and q them. Get your jungler to just poke your head in lane or get early blues and with smart play you will be fine. Its mostly the sions and Morganas who push your lane all day long that are more of the problem. Remember if you can q a champion 5 times and kill them you will get 5 AP. If you 5 minions you also get 5 ap, but you could also just use your auto attack. Try to last hit minions close to you with your AA and minions far from you with your baleful to put yourself less in harms way.

thanks for the tips. I don't get why you say to baleful the far minions though, you are ranged so isn't it better to just q whenever necessary, not what gives you like less than 100 more range?

6. Ward like shit, you do not want to get ganked. On the same note, know how to bait tower dives because you can get kills out of it once in a while.

7. Go 21/0/9 or 21/9/0. The new offensive masteries take veigars game to a whole new level. Also take the extra +4 dmg to minions with AA instead of havoc. Havoc sucks, but if that extra dmg helps you last hit even 1 more minion that will be better for your game, plus it helps you under your tower. Maximize ignite mastery, using ignite first in a combo (can still fire w first, dmg will be calculated at landing) gives you +5 AP which is like 10 extra dmg on your burst. Try to have at least 100-150 AP every 10 minutes.

On December 06 2011 05:07 koreasilver wrote:
I dunno. Even if you deal like a 1000 damage with a spell you'll only get 15 more damage, which doesn't really end up being much at all because damage like that comes from burst, not sustained damage. I feel like on mages that have trouble last hitting under a tower early on like Swain would benefit more using the points elsewhere.

On December 18 2011 03:06 Yiruru wrote:
In fact, I don't even buy Deathcap in 30% of my Veigar games. As long as you can kill a squishy in one combo, that's all you need.

On December 18 2011 07:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Lich Bane is terrible on Veigar ;d Super expensive, and gives you a passive that puts you in position to die while using it. You're also building no armor pen so the damage is diminished.

On December 18 2011 07:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Lich Bane is terrible on Veigar ;d Super expensive, and gives you a passive that puts you in position to die while using it. You're also building no armor pen so the damage is diminished.

On December 17 2011 14:24 Sufinsil wrote:
I always like to go Tear, Catalyst, RoA/Deathcap. Longer sustain mana wise. I like to harass who I am laning against at lv 5 and try to take their hp lower so I can get a kill at 6. DFG if needed, usually end up getting it. Nice on all champs and CDR.

Flash/Teleport

Personal preference. What works for me.

On December 18 2011 03:06 Yiruru wrote:
In fact, I don't even buy Deathcap in 30% of my Veigar games. As long as you can kill a squishy in one combo, that's all you need.