EPTI have never tried philo stone and I can't ascertain whether it would be effective on panth. Fact of the matter is that pantheon generally has to start boots so when it comes time to buy philo stone you're basically ditching 2 doran's blade for it. Worth it?
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I have never tried philo stone and I can't ascertain whether it would be effective on panth. Fact of the matter is that pantheon generally has to start boots so when it comes time to buy philo stone you're basically ditching 2 doran's blade for it. Worth it? | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 12 2011 23:02 Juicyfruit wrote: Flat mana regen blue AND yellows will let you keep up the spear spam without having to use the meditation mastery. 21-offense so that each individual spear has a lot more impact. Once you ride that early advantage you need to constantly be raising your damage to maintain the ability to threaten them. I have never tried philo stone and I can't ascertain whether it would be effective on panth. Fact of the matter is that pantheon generally has to start boots so when it comes time to buy philo stone you're basically ditching 2 doran's blade for it. Worth it? I tend to go: Boots + 3 pots Brutalizer Merc Bloodthirster/Last whisper (generally in that order, but i might swap it up at times) 2 defensive items. Banshee Veil/Sunfire I think philo stone would be a mistake. Even now Pantheon has to ride his early game strength into lategame succes. Philo just seems to be too longterm for the way Pantheon has to go. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Team fights are an entirely different story. Every champion will go oom eventually in a teamfight. That's a moot point. You're panth. You do your combo, spear and auto as much as possible, and that's that. Now that you can't jump from the fountain it's kind of sucky that you need to use mana for that you used to not need, but it's not THAT detrimental. Global champs used to basically have a free teleport. Now they need to come back to lane with at least some mana gone. *shrugs* And most supports nowadays build shurelya's eventually. You can also do cheesy things like build it on amumu for better initiations. If you're going to build philo stone on panth (never tried that) it would be better to use it so you can go ionian boots and grab an Eleisa's miracle imo. But I don't really agree with philo on panth because you want to abuse his earlygame strength, and delaying dblades and other damage is generally bad. If you're building for lategame on panth you're doing it wrong you need to abuse his earlygame to no end. That's why people run stuff like AD runes and flat mana regen, because those are all better for earlygame. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
ofc, my elo is in the shitter right now so it might just be a shitty other team but still. so much fun :D One thing I've found about Panth though is that he seems very snowbally. If my early game gets messed up or set back, say I die to a gank once, I cant seem to really get back in the game. It feels like with Pantheon I have to dominate my lane, keep it that way, and use that advantage to just snowball my team to victory. Whereas for some other champs even if you fuck up, as long as it's not astronomical, you usually can get back in the game. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On August 12 2011 22:09 Shikyo wrote: I always build it. Despite what Mogwai says, I always have mana issues with Panth and I don't get how he can NOT have mana issues unless he only lasthits, in which case you should play someone who's good lategame. lol? shikyo telling Smash that he is playing the wrong charcter...cause he hasnt mained panth for over a yea.. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
use skills to hit players done. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
spam shift+4 in lane, as it gives you +4 mana for each cast | ||
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
trade skills. come out ahead because spearshotlolololol. win lane because panth can threaten to burst and kill at lvl 2. how the hell do you run oom when your main nuke is 45 mana, you can win every auto attack trade, and panth at low hp vs anyone else at low hp is auto-win for panth. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On August 13 2011 00:17 Mogwai wrote: All I'm saying is that I run flat armor or flat AD yellows and flat mres blues with a 21/9/0 spec and I'm not having mana issues. If you need a crutch for lousy mana management, run flat mana regen on your yellows and rush a philostone or something retarded like that, but I'm just telling you you shouldn't need mana regen to play Pantheon well and you're essentially just making yourself worse at your job by delaying your AD. The whole fucking point of the buff is that Pantheon's AD scaling kicks in way the fuck earlier, and if you're not abusing that, you're the one playing Pantheon wrong, not I. What's the deal with SoS over XP mastery? Don't I give my opponent windows where he can actually DO stuff when I don't run XP mastery? | ||
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Truez
Australia147 Posts
With pantheon's ~300ish mana pool by levels 2-5 that equates to like 6-7 spears. Unless you somehow deal twice the damage per spear as the average pantheon player I do not see how you can run 21-9-0 AND not use mana regen seals and/or blues without oom. This is assuming that you don't stun+hss combo as that will 100% garentee you to be half mana or near dry. Not to mention the fact most people when they realise they're facing Pantheon will open cloth+5pots. In all honesty I am really really intrigued =/. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On August 13 2011 17:36 UniversalSnip wrote: I was running practice lanes vs ranged characters earlier and I found I came out much better with dblade start than boots just because I had enough damage to be a threat without running out of mana And you have enough movespeed so that no AP mid can run from you. Wait. Panth without boot start just gets his Q kited all day. Don't do it. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 13 2011 18:16 r.Evo wrote: And you have enough movespeed so that no AP mid can run from you. Wait. Panth without boot start just gets his Q kited all day. Don't do it. Whilst panth with boots spams his Q on everyone's face and has 3 pots wich let's him outlast anyone with dorans. Boots + pots is such a great start on nearly any champ. It's an opening that is both offensive and defensive. And no champion gains more from this start then Pantheon and his spears. His natural high move speed (330, highest base in the game) means you are faster then other people with boots and massively outrun everyone that does a different start. | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
maknoon also runs some mana runes. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 13 2011 16:50 Truez wrote: Just wondering how do you win lanes without running out of mana Smash? Do you auto them? Do you walk up whack em with your shield a couple of times without taking damage? With pantheon's ~300ish mana pool by levels 2-5 that equates to like 6-7 spears. Unless you somehow deal twice the damage per spear as the average pantheon player I do not see how you can run 21-9-0 AND not use mana regen seals and/or blues without oom. This is assuming that you don't stun+hss combo as that will 100% garentee you to be half mana or near dry. Not to mention the fact most people when they realise they're facing Pantheon will open cloth+5pots. In all honesty I am really really intrigued =/. You can't without mana regen, and Mogwai never gets mana regen so his Pantheon is incredibly easy to deafeat - open cloth 5pots, lasthit and harrass freely, if he harrasses you you just use 1-2 health pots and then deny him and win lane. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On August 13 2011 22:09 Shikyo wrote: You can't without mana regen, and Mogwai never gets mana regen so his Pantheon is incredibly easy to deafeat - open cloth 5pots, lasthit and harrass freely, if he harrasses you you just use 1-2 health pots and then deny him and win lane. Grudgematch please. (I actually failed and ran scaling blue MP5s one time and it wasn't that much of an issue either. =P) | ||
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