EPTudyr, skarner, lee, shyvana, maokai, even nocturne and alistar will just run you over in the jungle. you won't get a single buff if they don't want you to. he's much more suited to top lane
[Champion] Shen - Page 19
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
udyr, skarner, lee, shyvana, maokai, even nocturne and alistar will just run you over in the jungle. you won't get a single buff if they don't want you to. he's much more suited to top lane | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On February 19 2012 11:40 sob3k wrote: What do you open with for jungle shen? cloth5 or is it doable and better to go vamp/boots/sword/blade/shield? Ruby Crystal, Doran's Shield, Boots+3 pot all work. I opt for the first because you can usually get a HoG + Boots on your first back and you don't suffer any issues with sustain. You don't get wriggles so vamp is wasted and I doubt you'd get much value out of Doran's Blade. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On February 19 2012 03:23 Mogwai wrote: yea, I've been liking like, hog, recurve, phage after wriggles if you need it, then finishing wit's after the phage. speeds up your HP pool by 950 gold, which is noticeable. WW beats shen in lane, for sure. Played it twice last night and it's just not fair, WW with wriggle's + wit's just stands there and beats your face in. Xin should be a losing matchup Neo, but yea, if you can make it a straight farm fest, w/e, shen late game >> xin late game. the last WW I played on top plane did not stand a chance. I Just zoned him out from the beginning. The only problem I had was a Gangplank who parleyed me everytime and critted me quite hard TT with his jungler help he beated me in lane. Never played a Xin before | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On February 20 2012 01:00 Chexx wrote: the last WW I played on top plane did not stand a chance. I Just zoned him out from the beginning. The only problem I had was a Gangplank who parleyed me everytime and critted me quite hard TT with his jungler help he beated me in lane. Never played a Xin before vs gp i try to avoid trades on lvl 1 as much as possible, from lvl 2 onwards it's much easier. Though random crits can fuck you over so hard :< | ||
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Tryndamere
Canada145 Posts
On February 20 2012 01:20 Schwopzi wrote: vs gp i try to avoid trades on lvl 1 as much as possible, from lvl 2 onwards it's much easier. Though random crits can fuck you over so hard :< You just have to play aggressive vs gp. gp can't win exchanges with you because you have higher dps than him. The crits won't come out as often compared to your vorpal blade faceboomb. If you know you laning against gp or any other high melee dps champs, you have to get chain mail first and get wriggle. | ||
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koreasilver
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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Tryndamere
Canada145 Posts
On February 20 2012 02:54 checo wrote: i just played my first shen game on ranked and raped a nasus o so hard.. owned top lane and ended up 6-2-4. He seems a bit to powerfull with that Q on such a low cd... He was like that before patch. Elementz said it, you can facebomb people with q every 2 seconds and own top lane easy. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
But yeah, probably not your fault. Should have just switched to jungle panth when you saw the shen pick. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Tryndamere
Canada145 Posts
On February 20 2012 05:34 clickrush wrote: i wonder how the more mobile ad carries would do in a solo lane vs shen. I can imagine graves or cait or maybe even vayne doing equal or even well in a isolated situation. It depends on who's more aggressive, but range ad carry will have problems because shen can tank a few hits and win exchanges. Again, range ad carry doesn't do solo top, that's just disaster waiting to happen. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
On February 20 2012 05:39 Tryndamere wrote: It depends on who's more aggressive, but range ad carry will have problems because shen can tank a few hits and win exchanges. Again, range ad carry doesn't do solo top, that's just disaster waiting to happen. Most of the ranged carries are also excellent solo laners. Graves, Vayne, Cait, Ezreal, Corki will all beat Shen top lane....as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure any AD carry will beat Shen top. Ranged Carries are not a "disaster waiting to happen" in top lane either. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 20 2012 02:39 koreasilver wrote: I'm not sure if I was doing something wrong, but yesterday I played Panth vs Shen and I got wrecked really, really hard. I opened dblade and he opened with dshield, and my spears just weren't doing much damage while his sustain pretty much negated whatever damage my spears were doing. On top of that, he chucks his own shit at me but I don't have sustain. What exactly would you suggest if such a scenario happened? Should I have taken a different rune page, different opening build, or is it just a bad matchup in the current patch? I've never flat out lost in the laning phase as a Panth before and it was a pretty unnerving experience. Shen even before the buffs was one of the strongest picks vs panth, now he is much better. Its a really bad match for panth, try to avoid it. You cannot harass him out of lane, his shield and return harass +sustain will outlast you. You have to have the jungle come in and get you probably 2 kills early with your full burst. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 20 2012 05:58 Lancer723 wrote: Most of the ranged carries are also excellent solo laners. Graves, Vayne, Cait, Ezreal, Corki will all beat Shen top lane....as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure any AD carry will beat Shen top. Ranged Carries are not a "disaster waiting to happen" in top lane either. I absolutely wrecked a Sivir top with Shen a few days ago, shield her harass and abuse brush as much as possible, then just jumped her with taunt/shield/dagger when she went in to CS. I came out significant ahead on every trade. She should have warded the brush, but with it I was able to zone her. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 21 2012 20:56 Zhiroo wrote: If I'm playing Shen support, would getting a philo work? I know it gives mana but I can't decide what Gp10 to get except HoG and with just 1 I feel kinda poor. better go avarice blade | ||
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Tryndamere
Canada145 Posts
On February 21 2012 20:56 Zhiroo wrote: If I'm playing Shen support, would getting a philo work? I know it gives mana but I can't decide what Gp10 to get except HoG and with just 1 I feel kinda poor. HoG is better because you can build it into RO later which is a pretty standard item for Shen. The stone is not good for Shen. | ||
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