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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 19 2012 06:41 GMT
#361
jungling shen is a bad idea atm unless your opponent has already picked their jungler, and has also picked a non-aoe clearer

udyr, skarner, lee, shyvana, maokai, even nocturne and alistar will just run you over in the jungle. you won't get a single buff if they don't want you to. he's much more suited to top lane
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
February 19 2012 13:38 GMT
#362
On February 19 2012 11:40 sob3k wrote:
What do you open with for jungle shen? cloth5 or is it doable and better to go vamp/boots/sword/blade/shield?

Ruby Crystal, Doran's Shield, Boots+3 pot all work. I opt for the first because you can usually get a HoG + Boots on your first back and you don't suffer any issues with sustain. You don't get wriggles so vamp is wasted and I doubt you'd get much value out of Doran's Blade.
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
February 19 2012 16:00 GMT
#363
On February 19 2012 03:23 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 08:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Played vs a Ghost/Ignite Xin just now. We both opened Cloth +5 and it was pretty stalemate early. I could harass him but he would heal it off with Passive + pots.

I died around level 5 because he initiated on me once, I dashed away but stuck around lane. I didn't let my energy recover enough before he auto'd creeps with W and EQ me again and Ignite for the kill. Using Dash as a retreat mechanism hurts a lot.

At worst, he was 60-70 creeps ahead of me but ended the game with a win with 2/2/18 and behind 10 creeps on Xin (he was 230 and his team's high).

Next time vs Cloth Xin, I'll probably just farm fest it. Shen feels more sustain vs Xin's burst when it comes to 1v1. He's almost unharassable after he comes back with Wriggle's. But team fights, it doesn't compare.

Went Tabi, Wriggle's, HoG, WE. He went Wriggles, Merc, Belt, Mallet. Felt really squishy with just HoG as only HP item. Phage before WE might have been better.

yea, I've been liking like, hog, recurve, phage after wriggles if you need it, then finishing wit's after the phage. speeds up your HP pool by 950 gold, which is noticeable.


WW beats shen in lane, for sure. Played it twice last night and it's just not fair, WW with wriggle's + wit's just stands there and beats your face in. Xin should be a losing matchup Neo, but yea, if you can make it a straight farm fest, w/e, shen late game >> xin late game.



the last WW I played on top plane did not stand a chance. I Just zoned him out from the beginning.
The only problem I had was a Gangplank who parleyed me everytime and critted me quite hard TT with his jungler help he beated me in lane.

Never played a Xin before
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Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
February 19 2012 16:20 GMT
#364
On February 20 2012 01:00 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 03:23 Mogwai wrote:
On February 18 2012 08:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Played vs a Ghost/Ignite Xin just now. We both opened Cloth +5 and it was pretty stalemate early. I could harass him but he would heal it off with Passive + pots.

I died around level 5 because he initiated on me once, I dashed away but stuck around lane. I didn't let my energy recover enough before he auto'd creeps with W and EQ me again and Ignite for the kill. Using Dash as a retreat mechanism hurts a lot.

At worst, he was 60-70 creeps ahead of me but ended the game with a win with 2/2/18 and behind 10 creeps on Xin (he was 230 and his team's high).

Next time vs Cloth Xin, I'll probably just farm fest it. Shen feels more sustain vs Xin's burst when it comes to 1v1. He's almost unharassable after he comes back with Wriggle's. But team fights, it doesn't compare.

Went Tabi, Wriggle's, HoG, WE. He went Wriggles, Merc, Belt, Mallet. Felt really squishy with just HoG as only HP item. Phage before WE might have been better.

yea, I've been liking like, hog, recurve, phage after wriggles if you need it, then finishing wit's after the phage. speeds up your HP pool by 950 gold, which is noticeable.


WW beats shen in lane, for sure. Played it twice last night and it's just not fair, WW with wriggle's + wit's just stands there and beats your face in. Xin should be a losing matchup Neo, but yea, if you can make it a straight farm fest, w/e, shen late game >> xin late game.



the last WW I played on top plane did not stand a chance. I Just zoned him out from the beginning.
The only problem I had was a Gangplank who parleyed me everytime and critted me quite hard TT with his jungler help he beated me in lane.

Never played a Xin before


vs gp i try to avoid trades on lvl 1 as much as possible, from lvl 2 onwards it's much easier. Though random crits can fuck you over so hard :<
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Tryndamere
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada145 Posts
February 19 2012 17:26 GMT
#365
On February 20 2012 01:20 Schwopzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 01:00 Chexx wrote:
On February 19 2012 03:23 Mogwai wrote:
On February 18 2012 08:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
Played vs a Ghost/Ignite Xin just now. We both opened Cloth +5 and it was pretty stalemate early. I could harass him but he would heal it off with Passive + pots.

I died around level 5 because he initiated on me once, I dashed away but stuck around lane. I didn't let my energy recover enough before he auto'd creeps with W and EQ me again and Ignite for the kill. Using Dash as a retreat mechanism hurts a lot.

At worst, he was 60-70 creeps ahead of me but ended the game with a win with 2/2/18 and behind 10 creeps on Xin (he was 230 and his team's high).

Next time vs Cloth Xin, I'll probably just farm fest it. Shen feels more sustain vs Xin's burst when it comes to 1v1. He's almost unharassable after he comes back with Wriggle's. But team fights, it doesn't compare.

Went Tabi, Wriggle's, HoG, WE. He went Wriggles, Merc, Belt, Mallet. Felt really squishy with just HoG as only HP item. Phage before WE might have been better.

yea, I've been liking like, hog, recurve, phage after wriggles if you need it, then finishing wit's after the phage. speeds up your HP pool by 950 gold, which is noticeable.


WW beats shen in lane, for sure. Played it twice last night and it's just not fair, WW with wriggle's + wit's just stands there and beats your face in. Xin should be a losing matchup Neo, but yea, if you can make it a straight farm fest, w/e, shen late game >> xin late game.



the last WW I played on top plane did not stand a chance. I Just zoned him out from the beginning.
The only problem I had was a Gangplank who parleyed me everytime and critted me quite hard TT with his jungler help he beated me in lane.

Never played a Xin before


vs gp i try to avoid trades on lvl 1 as much as possible, from lvl 2 onwards it's much easier. Though random crits can fuck you over so hard :<


You just have to play aggressive vs gp. gp can't win exchanges with you because you have higher dps than him. The crits won't come out as often compared to your vorpal blade faceboomb. If you know you laning against gp or any other high melee dps champs, you have to get chain mail first and get wriggle.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 19 2012 17:39 GMT
#366
I'm not sure if I was doing something wrong, but yesterday I played Panth vs Shen and I got wrecked really, really hard. I opened dblade and he opened with dshield, and my spears just weren't doing much damage while his sustain pretty much negated whatever damage my spears were doing. On top of that, he chucks his own shit at me but I don't have sustain. What exactly would you suggest if such a scenario happened? Should I have taken a different rune page, different opening build, or is it just a bad matchup in the current patch? I've never flat out lost in the laning phase as a Panth before and it was a pretty unnerving experience.
checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
February 19 2012 17:54 GMT
#367
i just played my first shen game on ranked and raped a nasus o so hard.. owned top lane and ended up 6-2-4. He seems a bit to powerfull with that Q on such a low cd...
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Tryndamere
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada145 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 18:37:52
February 19 2012 18:30 GMT
#368
On February 20 2012 02:54 checo wrote:
i just played my first shen game on ranked and raped a nasus o so hard.. owned top lane and ended up 6-2-4. He seems a bit to powerfull with that Q on such a low cd...


He was like that before patch. Elementz said it, you can facebomb people with q every 2 seconds and own top lane easy.
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 19 2012 18:37 GMT
#369
Your question should actually be in the panth thread, but...I'm pretty sure Shen is right up there as a counter to panth. Spammable shields do well against panth... especially when they aren't mana restricted.

But yeah, probably not your fault. Should have just switched to jungle panth when you saw the shen pick.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
February 19 2012 20:34 GMT
#370
i wonder how the more mobile ad carries would do in a solo lane vs shen. I can imagine graves or cait or maybe even vayne doing equal or even well in a isolated situation.
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Tryndamere
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada145 Posts
February 19 2012 20:39 GMT
#371
On February 20 2012 05:34 clickrush wrote:
i wonder how the more mobile ad carries would do in a solo lane vs shen. I can imagine graves or cait or maybe even vayne doing equal or even well in a isolated situation.


It depends on who's more aggressive, but range ad carry will have problems because shen can tank a few hits and win exchanges. Again, range ad carry doesn't do solo top, that's just disaster waiting to happen.
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 19 2012 20:48 GMT
#372
Actually vayne does very well against Shen top. Loci (who is amazing at Shen) has played the matchup, and had to swap lanes because vayne was pretty much hard countering him. This was pre buffs, but Shen's range hasn't changed then, which was the issue.
Lancer723
Profile Joined September 2011
United States486 Posts
February 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#373
On February 20 2012 05:39 Tryndamere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 05:34 clickrush wrote:
i wonder how the more mobile ad carries would do in a solo lane vs shen. I can imagine graves or cait or maybe even vayne doing equal or even well in a isolated situation.


It depends on who's more aggressive, but range ad carry will have problems because shen can tank a few hits and win exchanges. Again, range ad carry doesn't do solo top, that's just disaster waiting to happen.


Most of the ranged carries are also excellent solo laners. Graves, Vayne, Cait, Ezreal, Corki will all beat Shen top lane....as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure any AD carry will beat Shen top. Ranged Carries are not a "disaster waiting to happen" in top lane either.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 00:05:24
February 20 2012 00:03 GMT
#374
On February 20 2012 02:39 koreasilver wrote:
I'm not sure if I was doing something wrong, but yesterday I played Panth vs Shen and I got wrecked really, really hard. I opened dblade and he opened with dshield, and my spears just weren't doing much damage while his sustain pretty much negated whatever damage my spears were doing. On top of that, he chucks his own shit at me but I don't have sustain. What exactly would you suggest if such a scenario happened? Should I have taken a different rune page, different opening build, or is it just a bad matchup in the current patch? I've never flat out lost in the laning phase as a Panth before and it was a pretty unnerving experience.


Shen even before the buffs was one of the strongest picks vs panth, now he is much better. Its a really bad match for panth, try to avoid it. You cannot harass him out of lane, his shield and return harass +sustain will outlast you. You have to have the jungle come in and get you probably 2 kills early with your full burst.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 20 2012 00:07 GMT
#375
On February 20 2012 05:58 Lancer723 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 05:39 Tryndamere wrote:
On February 20 2012 05:34 clickrush wrote:
i wonder how the more mobile ad carries would do in a solo lane vs shen. I can imagine graves or cait or maybe even vayne doing equal or even well in a isolated situation.


It depends on who's more aggressive, but range ad carry will have problems because shen can tank a few hits and win exchanges. Again, range ad carry doesn't do solo top, that's just disaster waiting to happen.


Most of the ranged carries are also excellent solo laners. Graves, Vayne, Cait, Ezreal, Corki will all beat Shen top lane....as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure any AD carry will beat Shen top. Ranged Carries are not a "disaster waiting to happen" in top lane either.


I absolutely wrecked a Sivir top with Shen a few days ago, shield her harass and abuse brush as much as possible, then just jumped her with taunt/shield/dagger when she went in to CS. I came out significant ahead on every trade. She should have warded the brush, but with it I was able to zone her.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 20 2012 19:25 GMT
#376
I feel like Sivir Vs Shen should be pretty ok for Sivir... just need to make sure she starts boots and stays even / ahead of you getting boots 2. Spellshielding Shen's taunt or vorpal blade means infinite mana for sivir, and her passive should be able to kite him really well. I think vayne was so good because her AA's outranged Shen's Q, and silver bolts don't care what HP shen has.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
February 21 2012 11:56 GMT
#377
If I'm playing Shen support, would getting a philo work? I know it gives mana but I can't decide what Gp10 to get except HoG and with just 1 I feel kinda poor.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 21 2012 12:57 GMT
#378
Kages obviously because it benefits every single one of your abilities? Isn't that obvious
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
February 21 2012 13:06 GMT
#379
On February 21 2012 20:56 Zhiroo wrote:
If I'm playing Shen support, would getting a philo work? I know it gives mana but I can't decide what Gp10 to get except HoG and with just 1 I feel kinda poor.

better go avarice blade
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Tryndamere
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada145 Posts
February 21 2012 15:13 GMT
#380
On February 21 2012 20:56 Zhiroo wrote:
If I'm playing Shen support, would getting a philo work? I know it gives mana but I can't decide what Gp10 to get except HoG and with just 1 I feel kinda poor.


HoG is better because you can build it into RO later which is a pretty standard item for Shen. The stone is not good for Shen.
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