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On February 28 2012 08:08 Dgiese wrote:
Just watched M5 top lane go dshield > warmogs > FoN > Atmas > triforce. This was against double AP. Thoughts on his build?
Although he was most kills etc on his team, it still seemed like a really shitty build. Sure he was tanky, but his damage came really late, and he had no Aspeed until zeal (and triforce. I mean c'mon, where was the wits end? especially against double AP.
I just don't think I'm sold on warmogs Shen. I built it earlier today, and yeah it made me tanky as all hell, and is really nice with his HP scaling abilities, but I just feel like mallet provides a bunch more utility, and you're often tanky enough with wits, defensive boots 2, and atma's / aegis.
Yeah, I never really got warmogs either, core items of mercs frozen mallet and wits end give very good damage and tankyness mid game in my opinion. If your team is struggling get an AOL before fm.
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Just picked up Shen since he's free this week, not sure what runes/masteries/items to make on him. I used him top lane mostly as tank/support.
The OP is way out of date, and the best non-jungle guide on solomid is scattershot and not very well organized. I'd like to know what runes/masteries/items to make on him.
I went 3/21/0 (I'm only level 24), juggernaut seems too good to pass up for Shen, who has super short range on his abilities and since his passive scales with bonus health.
For items, I went dshield -> boots -> HoG -> better boots -> Aegis -> Warmogs -> Randuin's -> giant belt/phage (was about to finish mallet)
After reading up, I see I should have made Wit's end.
I mostly avoid warmogs, but it seems so good with Shen. I had almost 5k hp at the end, and I hadn't even finished frozen mallet.
I'm totally clueless on what runes to use.
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Since all his abilities scale off of AP, semi Tank - semi AP build works well on him I've found.
Boots / Rylais / Aegis / Randuins / FoN / 6th Item
More AP = More Damage on his spells, More shield on his W, more protection for his Ult. His ult scales very nicely with AP
And I like maxing W first. Free damage absorption is always nice, and I always spam it since it has a low energy cost. Very useful.
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It's repost from GD but after 5 pages went by I reread it and realized it wasn't exactly its place, so here it is, in its champion thread:
Is Olaf some kind of a counter, or hard lane for Shen? I went up against one, expecting to have free harass on him using dagger to stay out of harm's way, and try to zone him.
Turns out I'm overestimating the dagger's damage, and isn't nearly enough to get him out. On the other hand, the range differential between the dagger and reckless swing is so tiny that I get to eat it almost every time (can you anim' cancel the dagger btw? It's got a lot of frames post-cast), and after some levels my level 1 shield isn't enough to cover it. I fell behind a bit in cs, but that had probably more to do with how aggressive he was, and the triple gank from Lee early on (good thing, I was purple side, so he only came at level 3).
I'd probably have been zoned had I not taken MS quints and picked fast tabis after HoG.
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When Shen was considered op a few weeks back, I used to pick olaf against him. I don't know, it just seems to me that the trading potential of Olaf is too high and the only choice shen has is to passively farm. Max q and trade axes for daggers + throw the occasional e, can really kill him if he plays properly, but in my opinion shen back then was used to bullying people with his harras, so shutting that down throws him off a ton. Granted, you can't interrupt his ult as olaf.
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Is there something that can disable Shen's ult? I just got ganked, but I casted my ult to get away, and it channeled for the 3 seconds, and I still had half health at that point, but I didn't port. Little confused.
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On May 06 2012 12:29 Dalguno wrote:
Is there something that can disable Shen's ult? I just got ganked, but I casted my ult to get away, and it channeled for the 3 seconds, and I still had half health at that point, but I didn't port. Little confused.
stuns and taunts
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On May 06 2012 12:29 Dalguno wrote:
Is there something that can disable Shen's ult? I just got ganked, but I casted my ult to get away, and it channeled for the 3 seconds, and I still had half health at that point, but I didn't port. Little confused.
You can still keep Shen at original place with silence, knock up, stun, etc.. but the ult shield on the ally will still remain. Don't build AP Shen for people who are saying build AP for more damage, it is the wrong way. You build Shen around his passive and AS/HP. The faster you can AA, the faster you can proc your passive and your passive is dependent on your bonus HP.
Typical Shen build is treads/tabi depending on if enemy is physical heavy or CC heavy. HoG, wits end, giants belt, mallet/warmogs, randuins, FoN. If you are having an easy time, just get boots, giants belt and stack AS items like wits end, madreds, ionic spark. You will be surprised how much damage Shen can dish out with those items and still be tanky.
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On February 28 2012 11:01 fruitypancakes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:08 Dgiese wrote:
Just watched M5 top lane go dshield > warmogs > FoN > Atmas > triforce. This was against double AP. Thoughts on his build?
Although he was most kills etc on his team, it still seemed like a really shitty build. Sure he was tanky, but his damage came really late, and he had no Aspeed until zeal (and triforce. I mean c'mon, where was the wits end? especially against double AP.
I just don't think I'm sold on warmogs Shen. I built it earlier today, and yeah it made me tanky as all hell, and is really nice with his HP scaling abilities, but I just feel like mallet provides a bunch more utility, and you're often tanky enough with wits, defensive boots 2, and atma's / aegis. Yeah, I never really got warmogs either, core items of mercs frozen mallet and wits end give very good damage and tankyness mid game in my opinion. If your team is struggling get an AOL before fm.
shens more of a cc machine and initiator in teamfights, his purpose isnt to do damage. so mallet is not that great.
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Mallet is great by midgame since it makes sure your team can chase down whoever you are chasing, generally the AP or AD carry, unless you are slowing a bruiser such that your AD can kite better.
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I don't like mallet on Shen. Phage isn't bad, but frankly Shen's most likely the best red carrier on your team so I'd be building for split pushing / 1v1 power instead. That way having Shen on the team actually gives you unfair map control.
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Shen isn't a cc machine, his taunt in very expensive and on a long cooldown. Build Shen 2 warmogs and FoN as I've seen if you want, but that won't make you a threat in any way, you'll just hurt a squishy that let you in every 6 seconds when your passive is up. That's why stuff like Randuin's/warmogs/wit's is good on him, because it provides AS to make his passive relevant (esp. with his shield up) and gives him HP to enhance it, with the added cc from randuin's. Mallet itself is more a bonus cc than a damage item.
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Any info on how to play Shen, since it is its free week im trying him out but i have no idea on what to build, since OP its edited in 2011 how shen changed to today standards of play?
Runes, Skill order, and any particular matchups that shen excels at?
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This thread is full of infos, just read the most recent pages. 
Basically, HoG Phage Wit's end Warmogs Sunfire all good items on him, depending on context.
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Am i the only one who likes to build Aegis on him? Early Aegis so good on those first team fights, and with your ult, you will always get there... boots -> hog -> aegis/wits -> wits/aegis is usually my core, after that it depends on how fed i am...
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HoG -> Wits Ionic -> Randuins -> Triforce imo but =P
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R>Q>W>E if you can beat them in trades handily (for more zoning potential with Q). pick up a early level of E for escaping and ability to assist ganks
R>W>Q>E if you lose the trades fairly hard (I would advise against picking shen into these lanes, as many people can cast 1 spell or bait the shield and then punish you) and are opting to farm and ult defensively. Yorick, Udyr, and Olaf can outtrade you and can all bait your shield if need be, as an example
Generally it comes down to getting a feel for each champion's strength - can they outtrade you, and if so, at what level(s)? If you win trades, its fairly easy to simply Q and Ki-strike (your passive) to heal off the Q and do greater damage.
If the lane has stalemated or you can grab a q last hit or q/auto on a creep without fear of the enemy punishing you while your q is on cd, doing so will heal you a marginal amount.
When someone comes to gank for you or you think you can pick up a kill, getting into position to e and then q auto (ignite if taken) will allow you to set up for yourself or others.
Try to keep a good watch on your other lanes / minimap / health bars on the left side of the screen so that you can ult when needed. If you dont have the time scroll and pick a person, or your team is very clumped, pressing R and then clicking on a portrait can be more reliable than blindly clicking and hoping you ult your intended target.
Runes - mpen / aspd reds, armor / energy per level yellows, mr (flat or scaling) blues, and movespeed / armor / MR (aspd if ur ballsy) quints are all good choices on shen. Each allows for a different playstyle - mpen + armor / MR quint shen would excel at Q trading and perhaps a ki strike along with it, whereas aspd runes give you greater extended trading power and splitpushing ability midgame.
shen excels versus most melees who must commit themselves to trade without beating shen's crazy efficiency with his w and q and passive. Darius, Olaf are exceptions to this.
People with super sustain and as a result trading ability (udyr and yorick) are also difficult for shen. Udyr can also cancel his ult mid cancel for relatively little, and is thus an extremely annoying matchup.
he's a fairly safe pick, and is fun to teleport around with and make clutch saves. gl hf
items, anything that helps your survivability (HP is nice with your passive as well), gives aspd (for splitpushing, trading, and damage threat), etc. is fine. wits is a nice item that has both that makes you a terror in midgame fights.
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I always level my W up first on shen these days tbh. shit's really stronk.
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The cd scales harder but ur kill potential and harass ability shrinks pretty hard i.e. they will only need to back if ganked or if they eat a bunch of free qs or try to trade with ur shield up hue
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