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On September 17 2011 03:16 Mogwai wrote:
Singed is OP vs. Melee. He's broken because most people are too stupid to lane a teemo vs. him. I've said it before and I'll say it again... Any time there is a seemingly unsolvable problem in the LoL Metagame, the solution is Teemo.
What if the problem is people banning Teemo?
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Then the metagame is already solved. That was probably the golden age of LoL when Teemo was seriously the champ that everyone was most afraid of.
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On September 17 2011 03:30 Mogwai wrote:
Then the metagame is already solved. That was probably the golden age of LoL when Teemo was seriously the champ that everyone was most afraid of.
You say it like its funny but when that thing gets going hes like a hyperactive rabies hamster on crack,ai not funny at all-_-.
Edit:A Maokai that is trying to get away from a Teemo is the most saddest thing in the world btw.
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On September 17 2011 03:48 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 03:30 Mogwai wrote:
Then the metagame is already solved. That was probably the golden age of LoL when Teemo was seriously the champ that everyone was most afraid of. You say it like its funny but when that thing gets going hes like a hyperactive rabies hamster on crack,ai not funny at all-_-.
I mean, I'm not really joking. When rainman hit #1 on the ladder and Teemo was a top ban, we probably saw the most diverse set of champions being played.
Teemo might've been a little too strong back then, but still, his kit is such that when he's too strong, it's still managable because he's still killable and he doesn't kill your whole team in one skill rotation. He's the healthiest type of character to be too strong.
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I think the EU meta has skewed the perception of how strong a lot of heroes in the game are. Most of the currently "OP" solo top heroes get dominated by a strong ranged hero like Caitlyn or Teemo. Another example: I think Vayne would be considered MUCH better than she is now if AD carries still soloed.
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that's because Vayne solidly buttfucks like every bruiser top.
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On September 17 2011 03:16 Mogwai wrote:
Singed is OP vs. Melee. He's broken because most people are too stupid to lane a teemo vs. him. I've said it before and I'll say it again... Any time there is a seemingly unsolvable problem in the LoL Metagame, the solution is Teemo.
This so, so hard. Any time I see the other team get someone like singed udyr or garen, call top and lock in teemo. Laugh all the way to the elo bank.
Looking to pick up singed though, but I don't have movespeed or dodge runes, wondering how hard that will hurt him.
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On September 17 2011 04:00 Mogwai wrote:
that's because Vayne solidly buttfucks like every bruiser top.
Yeah that's my point. She wrecks most melee heroes but because of the "EU meta" bullshit you never get to solo as her.
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On September 17 2011 03:58 arnath wrote:
I think the EU meta has skewed the perception of how strong a lot of heroes in the game are. Most of the currently "OP" solo top heroes get dominated by a strong ranged hero like Caitlyn or Teemo. Another example: I think Vayne would be considered MUCH better than she is now if AD carries still soloed.
Yeah, Cait can rape a lot of them, too. The problem is you always want a support for warding and CV -- the rest of the team will run out of item slots lategame to even hold a ward. Support + range ad usually beat support + something else. There are exceptions, but these often rely on having a weak ad like ashe bot. Further, most junglers are AD. Currently, AD junglers are largely stronger than the few tank junglers, who generally struggle against counter-jungling and have very set paths.
Running a ranged AD top might win the lane, but it makes your bot lane weak, so they might lose that lane (and a losing bot lane gives the enemy team stronger dragon control). Further, it means you probably have 3 AD on your team and it's very easy to itemize against AD.
I would love to see what more ap junglers would do to the meta (yes, I'm aware of the "but how to balance that vs blue dependency and healing").
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Putting Vayne top is strong, but Vayne isn`t exactly the hardest champion in the game to gank.
People like singed go top not beacuse they`ll necessarily dominate that lane, but it`s also because singed can put a ridiculous amount of lane pressure, one on the count that he can push the lane very hard, and another on the count that a very farmed singed will just be unkillable and force you to give up towers or objectives just to deal with him.
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What about jungle singed, philo stone -> gunblade? had dan dinh do this to me in a game the other day and it seemed quite effective.. though it could have just been trolling(since im bad)
also, am i one of the few who likes the catalyst -> swifties -> fon for mega fast singed?
whats this tabi/miracle singed use for runes? ms/dodge?
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Why would you put a farm dependent hero that has no problems soloing in the jungle? He wouldn't really even have especially effective ganks.
Boots of Swiftness are almost never worth it. If you want to move faster, just get Tabi + Nimbleness + Dodge runes (and you should probably be running the last two anyways on Singed).
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Idk about all this meta talk but when i solo top as singed the champ I have the most trouble with over any other is zilean. Not sure he belongs top but he completely shuts me down every time.
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On September 17 2011 11:18 Azerbaijan wrote:
Idk about all this meta talk but when i solo top as singed the champ I have the most trouble with over any other is zilean. Not sure he belongs top but he completely shuts me down every time.
That's because Zilean is an annoying fucker. One of the few that makes everyone tear out their hear in rage. He dominates a lot of characters in lane, which is why he gets banned so much.
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On September 17 2011 08:18 arnath wrote:
Why would you put a farm dependent hero that has no problems soloing in the jungle? He wouldn't really even have especially effective ganks.
Boots of Swiftness are almost never worth it. If you want to move faster, just get Tabi + Nimbleness + Dodge runes (and you should probably be running the last two anyways on Singed).
wut, swifties are bread and butter for singed, makes split pushing so much easier
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On September 17 2011 12:41 barbsq wrote:
wut, swifties are bread and butter for singed, makes split pushing so much easier
Using that logic Swifties would be core for Nidalee too.
Tank 6 creeps->dodge proc is a bigger movespeed boost than Swifties. Still better off with Mercs or Dodge boots.
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On September 17 2011 12:54 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 12:41 barbsq wrote:
wut, swifties are bread and butter for singed, makes split pushing so much easier Using that logic Swifties would be core for Nidalee too. Tank 6 creeps->dodge proc is a bigger movespeed boost than Swifties. Still better off with Mercs or Dodge boots.
Nidalee is fast moving across the map without swifties though. Singed doesn't have that bit.
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helps him split push how...? You can run away faster? I'd rather just run away at a normal speed and live because I have better boots. It doesn't make you any better at clearing the lane, you already run down a lane more quickly than the creeps spawn. Awful in teamfights. Diminishing returns with his ult. Fuck swifties
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Seriously, boots of swiftness are almost never worth the money. Tabis are VASTLY more cost efficient and with nimbleness you get good move speed anyways.
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On September 17 2011 14:59 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 12:54 TheYango wrote:On September 17 2011 12:41 barbsq wrote:
wut, swifties are bread and butter for singed, makes split pushing so much easier Using that logic Swifties would be core for Nidalee too. Tank 6 creeps->dodge proc is a bigger movespeed boost than Swifties. Still better off with Mercs or Dodge boots. Nidalee is fast moving across the map without swifties though. Singed doesn't have that bit.
If all you want is map mobility, then what does Swifties give you over Boots 5 (which Singed doesn't need anyway with a long-CD MS boost, and ghost/TP being reasonable and common summoner spells on him)? If you want an MS boost that stays useful in fights, then Dodge Boots + Nimbleness gives you a bigger MS boost, also gives dodge and armor, and are noticeably cheaper.
Swifties is pretty much only good on a subset of heroes that absolutely need the in-fight mobility, but don't have the luxury of being able to put themselves in situations where they'd get Nimbleness procs (e.g. Anivia).
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