EPT[Champion] Singed - Page 14
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 20 2012 11:37 obesechicken13 wrote: Most people say ashe is the best counter to singed. Not because of some godlike lane harass. She doesn't even need to lane against him. Ashe just has the slow which reduces the chance that singed will run into your team and flip someone. In fact, without flash, I think he has a relatively hard time closing the distance on a team's squishies with an ashe. Ashe herself has no innate flash though so just theorycraft, if she got slowed she'd have to ult him to have a chance of gettting away. The problem with singed is that even if you do well against him in lane and build against him he can do well against the rest of your team. I personally think you should pick a champ that can do the same without losing lane. According to lolking http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=top-lane-matchup&range=daily Rengar is the only other common top that boasts a greater than 50% win rate against singed. Popular opinion places jayce behind teemo as a counter to singed. http://lolcounter.com/search.php?search=singed I believe Vayne also does well. There are some other options too if you look at InvertedComposer's guide. | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On October 20 2012 15:38 broz0rs wrote: Champs who can safely harass can give Singed a hard time before he hits lv. 6. Pretty sure Nunu and Panth stomps him hard. I haven't tried either match up but I don't see how nunu is supposed to win. Fling will stop any attempt to get a fully channeled ult and I feel singed does well against champions who have no pushing power. I could be wrong but how is nunu supposed to handle all the pushing? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 20 2012 18:57 NpG)Explosive wrote: I haven't tried either match up but I don't see how nunu is supposed to win. Fling will stop any attempt to get a fully channeled ult and I feel singed does well against champions who have no pushing power. I could be wrong but how is nunu supposed to handle all the pushing? Well, according to this: http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=19669-invertedcomposer-singed-build-guide#chap12 Nunu is hard for Singed and Pantheon is pretty easy. I can imagine Pantheon being easy for Singed (because Pantheon is melee and Singed is not too worried about spear pokes). For Nunu I am guessing Nunu's Q sustain > Singed. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11504 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Vlad might counter Singed? I don't know if Singed can bully Vlad out early, but I do know I'd rather have a farmed Vlad than a farmed Singed. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On October 21 2012 00:29 Tooplark wrote: Swain stomps Singed pretty hard and doesn't mind a farmfest after 6. Vlad might counter Singed? I don't know if Singed can bully Vlad out early, but I do know I'd rather have a farmed Vlad than a farmed Singed. Yeah I'm pretty sure Vlad vs Singed is in Vlad's favor. Actually I find Vlad does well against Singed early; as someone without a gap closer or any ranged attack it's hard for him to deal with your constant Q's and autos, and the few times I've played the matchup I bullied Singed out. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On October 21 2012 05:29 broz0rs wrote: hmm.. just a few months ago, Singed was just known as a pubstomper and not that great a pick. Now it seems he's feared? Is it because of the recent play by Shy? champs with weird kits (singed, gragas, cho'gath, malphite) often boast a cyclical popularity even with few nerfs/buffs >the champ is deemed to be strong >the champ dominates, gains popularity >people learn to play against the champ >people find counters >the champ is considered weak >less people play the champ >less people know how to play against the champ >the champ is deemed to be strong | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Hell, even TSM is allowing Dyrus to go Singed in scrims. As for counters, I think Swain is one of the best. You can't farm without taking tons of damage. Don't know how you can ever get into Fling range either. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On October 21 2012 07:46 NeoIllusions wrote: Any resurgence of Singed can definitely be attributed to Shy. Hell, even TSM is allowing Dyrus to go Singed in scrims. As for counters, I think Swain is one of the best. You can't farm without taking tons of damage. Don't know how you can ever get into Fling range either. Singed has a ton of bad matchups. Poke, lifesteal/sustain, permaslow and high sustained damage are his bane and champs who have any of that inbuilt + some kind of steroid to snowball the lane are good vs singed. Thing is that singed does very well vs some of the most popular top laners: shen, irelia, riven, malphite which makes him a very viable top laner imo. He can also be considered a counterpick vs some of the melee mid laners. as for the ashe discussion: ashe can be useful vs singed but if we are talking about a decently farmed one then you need banshees on her because even with the slow: singed will have enough MS steroids to get close to her in a well initiated fight. Also ashe needs to initiate with arrow and not use it as an escape tool because if arrow hits him when he is allready fighting then his poison is allready spread out so you dont even mitigate any damage. generally a well farmed ad carry with some lifesteal and a banshees is singeds worst enemy because he is fling proof and has enough mr + regen to survive poison. people find it very frustrating to play against a fed singed but forget how big the champion pool is that does very well vs singed. Another weakness is the lack of sustain, defense and escapes before 6 which makes him easier to gank early on than alot of the other top laners. He is kinda like teemo in that regard: if you leave him alone for too long he will frustrate you hard after a while. Also non-singed players may not know that you have to take alot of risks before and even after 6 to not get too behind in a lot of matchups. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
1. it's really good 2. i think it'll get better with jungle changes 3. i'm not sure if it gets better or worse with item changes 4. revive/tele singed is waiting to be abused as a cheese strat some pro tips for revive/tp singed: 1. on blue side with a starting-blue-buff opponent jungler, you can either take their wraiths or walk between their base turret and 2nd turret and clear all creeps while taking 0 damage with your poison (turn it on and off for efficiency) 2. don't play against rumble, jayce, vlad. irelia is a little iffy but still okayish. (ignoring the less popular picks like teemo here) 3. gp10s are your friend 4. learn how gold bounty works http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Bounty 5. CS is king | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Approximately the same price after RoA is charged: ■630 health - 805 Health with passive ■725 mana ■80 ability power Compared to Rylais: +80 ability power +500 health So basically the only advantage to getting Rylais is the 15% slow and the fact that you don't need 10 minutes. But I usually end up getting my first RoA around 14-17 minutes. So I could definitely get 2 before 28 minutes. So which is better? | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On November 13 2012 22:57 Mementoss wrote: Is it better to get a second RoA on singed or Rylais? Approximately the same price after RoA is charged: ■630 health - 805 Health with passive ■725 mana ■80 ability power Compared to Rylais: +80 ability power +500 health So basically the only advantage to getting Rylais is the 15% slow and the fact that you don't need 10 minutes. But I usually end up getting my first RoA around 14-17 minutes. So I could definitely get 2 before 28 minutes. So which is better? roa and rilays are the two main HP and early-mid items for singed. after building one of them you can mostly not afford to stack even more HP because you will not finish mr and armor items in time. i would not get a second roa ever, because singed peaks somewhere between finishing his first major item and the second one. this is why you want to get things that help you right now the most, which is stuff like FH/Wardens mail/FoN because you need to initiate alot of the times. A fed singed can afford to get rilays after roa though because rilays is extremely strong in skirmishes and noticable in teamfights as well. But be aware of the enemy carries. If they are mobile and farmed, then you still want to skip rilays after roa and build it after the more important tank items that help you to zone and bully their carries. That said If you hit a good timing and the rest of your team does well without you then get rilays after roa but force skirimishes in their jungle and push aggressively try to draw attention to you but dont commit, basicly play a prolongued midgame and don't get caught. this can sometimes snowball into victory because the rest of your team will have the numbers advantage on objectives and turrets Do this as long as you don't forget to build up armor and maybe some mr as fast as you can so you can start tanking at some point. In the end you should never underestimate your opponent. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
It always seems like a snoozefest early followed by garen getting a powerspike early after brutalizer (that seems a bit stronger than cata powerspike for me). What makes it frustrating is that minions don't stop his passive regen so pushing doesn't seem to faze him. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 13 2012 22:57 Mementoss wrote: Is it better to get a second RoA on singed or Rylais? Approximately the same price after RoA is charged: ■630 health - 805 Health with passive ■725 mana ■80 ability power Compared to Rylais: +80 ability power +500 health So basically the only advantage to getting Rylais is the 15% slow and the fact that you don't need 10 minutes. But I usually end up getting my first RoA around 14-17 minutes. So I could definitely get 2 before 28 minutes. So which is better? Best to get both RoA and Rylai's. Both items have their individual perks that Singed wants. RoA allows for Catalyst level up regen which is great for laning. RoA provides AP + immense HP (thanks to passive). Rylai's gives trolol slow. There's no situation where I'd go a second RoA because defensively, all it provides is straight up HP. 1 RoA is enough. On November 19 2012 05:17 cLutZ wrote: Can someone explain Singed vs. Garen for me? It always seems like a snoozefest early followed by garen getting a powerspike early after brutalizer (that seems a bit stronger than cata powerspike for me). What makes it frustrating is that minions don't stop his passive regen so pushing doesn't seem to faze him. Don't fk with Garen until you have Tabi and a Chain Vest. Just trolol farm away from Decisive Strike distance. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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