| Forum Index > LoL Strategy |
|
Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On October 13 2012 00:42 wei2coolman wrote: Need chalice in there, I couldn't see Singed stay on map that long without some form of mana sustain. Yes I feel you need mana somewhere in the build because ignoring his passive seems foolish to me unless it scales his "total mana" and not "bonus mana". Could someone clarify please? | ||
|
barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On October 13 2012 00:49 Ghost-z wrote: Yes I feel you need mana somewhere in the build because ignoring his passive seems foolish to me unless it scales his "total mana" and not "bonus mana". Could someone clarify please? it's total mana, not bonus mana | ||
|
Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
| ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
That game he actually dominates Irelia even more than he does Riven, practically living between 1st and 2nd tower the entire laning phase. I think the idea with the early revolver over catalyst is that with armor runes + tabi, you can shrug off Irelia/Riven's pokes and then with revolver you can hurt them, farm and sustain all at once. Like many people said the problem is mana sustain, but I see Shy spam his ult everytime it's ult, and if you remember his ult gives you increases mana regen. The tricky part is getting to revolver by lvl 6 without getting behind in lane. | ||
|
Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
| ||
|
Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
You have to be a good deal more aggressive than you normally would be since you have to make the limited amount of mana you have work but it's so good. Between the revolver sustain and ulti sustain, being at full health 24/7 behind the enemy tower is amazing and probably infuriating to play against as well. | ||
|
clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
| ||
|
Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
| ||
|
Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
| ||
|
nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
shy further reduces his mana usage by skipping adhesive and going for more levels of fling, which plays well into the whole more dmg thing when combined with hextech revolver. | ||
|
arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On October 13 2012 02:39 Live2Win wrote: Shy ran singed top twice in the world finals. The first time was in the group stage vs SK Gaming, Singed vs Irelia. http://youtu.be/0DxvZ7j_h6w That game he actually dominates Irelia even more than he does Riven, practically living between 1st and 2nd tower the entire laning phase. I think the idea with the early revolver over catalyst is that with armor runes + tabi, you can shrug off Irelia/Riven's pokes and then with revolver you can hurt them, farm and sustain all at once. Like many people said the problem is mana sustain, but I see Shy spam his ult everytime it's ult, and if you remember his ult gives you increases mana regen. The tricky part is getting to revolver by lvl 6 without getting behind in lane. youre going to get like 170 mana back with his ult on, while wasting everything else. his ult costs 150 on its own. using it on cd seems like a complete waste | ||
|
clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On October 14 2012 00:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote: you dont need a lot of mana as singed for just pushing / farming waves. toggle Q is good enough. shy further reduces his mana usage by skipping adhesive and going for more levels of fling, which plays well into the whole more dmg thing when combined with hextech revolver. you buy revolver for the regen and not for the damage. The reason you can get away with revolver over blasting wand+pots is because irelia and especially riven are bad vs singed so in the long run you are probably saving money. I don't think singed profits that much from revolver after laneing and I'd rather have other regen tools like shureilas/FoN which are both extremely strong items on him while I build blasting wand into rilays/roa for more damage and health. revolver/wota both need to be supplemented well to be effective with more damage, defense and mana/manaregen, so the item asks for additional farm to be useful in mid-late game scenarios. Shy picks singed into lanes like these because he has the confidence to outpush and snowball those opponents and force engagements on him. revolver is a pure convenience item there and not what made him win those lanes but rather a long term investment. edit: also you can see how he gets outtraded in the midgame by irelia because he is sitting on revolver and catalyst while ire has wits end. I think if he had built more damage and health it would look different. | ||
|
Saeglopur
Canada177 Posts
During lane phase, always pick fight when ults up. By the time your ult is off they'll either have b'd or have died. Farm for a little and b, come back to lane, your ult will be up soon again, rinse and repeat. I don't even bother warding because I'm so tanky and do so much dmg with ult that if I'm ganked I end up with a double kill. I literally assassinate AD carries midgame. This is around 1700 elo. | ||
|
Alaric
France45622 Posts
| ||
|
Saeglopur
Canada177 Posts
| ||
|
schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
| ||
|
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
The problem with singed is that even if you do well against him in lane and build against him he can do well against the rest of your team. I personally think you should pick a champ that can do the same without losing lane. According to lolking http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=ranked&type=top-lane-matchup&range=daily Rengar is the only other common top that boasts a greater than 50% win rate against singed. Popular opinion places jayce behind teemo as a counter to singed. http://lolcounter.com/search.php?search=singed | ||
|
broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
| ||
|
Craton
United States17250 Posts
On October 13 2012 02:39 Live2Win wrote: if you remember his ult gives you increases mana regen. By an insignificant amount. You barely recoup the cost at rank 1 and only net 100 mana rank 2. You certainly should never use it for mana regen. It is, however, a short CD, so you can pop it often to harass and force the opponent into an unfavorable situation where they have to base and miss cs, stay and hug tower (letting you farm beyond tower and not be gankable), or simply die. | ||
|
GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
| ||
| ||
StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War Stormgate Dota 2 League of Legends Counter-Strike Heroes of the Storm Other Games |
|
Sparkling Tuna Cup
Online Event
Esports World Cup
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
Esports World Cup
Esports World Cup
CranKy Ducklings
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
|
|
|
EPT
