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Wrath
3176 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:42 Topin wrote: at least they try to make big changes (mechanics) in the game, but like Wire said, they should have tested it at the beginning of the beta. Same to economy of DH and Depth of Micro | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:45 Steelghost wrote: the new econ is hated by a lot of current players Citation required. I think most people who actually play LotV prefer the economy to HotS for sure and it is more streamlined and elegant than most TL-submitted alternatives. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada951 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:44 Tenks wrote: we're back to the same old boat where 9/10 the person with simple better raw mechanics will win And isn't that... great ? Strategy should only be the distinguishing factor between people of the same mechanical level. | ||
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: And isn't that... great ? Strategy should only be the distinguishing factor between people of the same mechanical level. No it is not great for the same tired arguments both sides have been making since blizzard announced the removal | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2665 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: And isn't that... great ? Strategy should only be the distinguishing factor between people of the same mechanical level. We should rename the genre to RTM real time mechanical game | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
But I've also coached a few players, and it's really frustrating that thier few months of sc2 are just learning how to inject / : which at it's core is a pretty banal mechanic that has somehow wound up producing some pretty signifigant euphoria in those who can manage them. Personaly I'm fine ethier way and I'm happy to see blizz doing thier best not the alienate ethier side / : but at some point theyre gonna have to lean one way or the other and people are gonna be angry no matter which way that is. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:50 Lexender wrote: We should rename the genre to RTM real time mechanical game I have zero interest in people with great strategic thinking but no mechanics to back it up. I'm very happy with SC2 being a mechanically demanding game. If you disagree with that point of view that's absolutely fine, that's just a personal opinion, nothing to get upset about. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
And either way of understanding the Zerg mechanic they offer is broken. If you can pop 3 larvae on 1 hatch and all spawn at once, that can be exploited obviously. If it goes off 1 at a time, Zerg is basically in the same boat as HotS, and Zerg has always had the short end of the stick when it comes to macro mechanics... and STILL will. But of course Terran can still drop 8 mules at once and get the reward of all Mules at once... Regardless of either method, still BS that risk vs reward is so off. Terran have least risk and can forget about their mechanic past early game if they like, and the only racial mechanic that can literally save the game for them if they lose all SCV's... | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:54 Firkraag8 wrote: Not a big fan of pylon overcharge at all, I'd rather it didn't exist and let me try to defend some other way. I'm not so sure that it's needed for LotV as it was in HotS. same I think working on an overcharge removal would be even more important than anything about macro mechanics, though toning them down would probably suit the pace of the game better as I said countless times. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: And isn't that... great ? Strategy should only be the distinguishing factor between people of the same mechanical level. I don't disagree. But I hate injecting.  | ||
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Wrath
3176 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:49 TimeSpiral wrote: Hmmmm ... hopefully their internal conversations are not as vitriolic and negative as the ones here. I doubt that they even have those. It is most likely something to pull of to shut down anything we don't like. "We did this internally and we did not like it". Literally we have seen this argument way too much during the beta. | ||
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Topin
Peru10128 Posts
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nyshak
Germany132 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:35 RoomOfMush wrote: My thought exactly. We are going to see like 20 queens per base. Its like building additional barracks that can attack, heal and spawn creep. They can also become invisible (burrow) and move. And take up supply. So you stack your hatcheries till no end to build 10 more zerglings as the rest of your army is in queens. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
edit: good to see they aren't pandering to the idiots regarding the map pool. having only standard maps would be a terrible idea. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
Also REALLY glad they're moving overlord drop to evo tech. While I don't like the individual upgrade mechanic on overlords it seems like putting it in this way is the best way of doing it such that it doesn't conflict with the nydus worm. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 11 2015 04:02 -NegativeZero- wrote: i like how you've got a whole bunch of people bitching about no macro mechanics and then a whole bunch of people bitching about having macro mechanics. blizz really can't win. Terraform is way too standard and boring.  | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On September 11 2015 03:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: I have zero interest in people with great strategic thinking but no mechanics to back it up. I'm very happy with SC2 being a mechanically demanding game. If you disagree with that point of view that's absolutely fine, that's just a personal opinion, nothing to get upset about. The problem, outside of making the game almost impossible to get into, is that it rewards only one style of play. Outside of some lucky un scouted timing attacks and cheese the mechanically superior player will just outright win all the time. Lets take the below radar chart. The person (since I was lazy aka "Series 1") will will a disproportionate amount of times compared to the other two players simply because he is superior at one facet of the game. The game should strive to reward all aptitudes not just simply muscle memory. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5nEgdFs.jpg) | ||
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