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M2
Bulgaria4133 Posts
On May 12 2022 08:51 chipmonklord17 wrote: This new post game menu should be considered a crime against humanity. Its just so much nonsense I literally cannot comprehend what I am seeing there? Can we still see graphs? I cant find graphs menu | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On May 12 2022 16:26 DarkCore wrote: Everything I've seen on streams seems to confirm this, champ sprints it down every part of the game, he has zero redeeming features. Really? Everyone on /olafmains looks like they are loving it. He looks like he (like Swain) is going to benefit immensely from the sustainability patch and his numbers are with that in mind. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8785 Posts
lol used to have a problem where it was increasingly harder to solo carry because teammates feeding would be too much of a hindrance to your 1v9. now i feel like its harder to solo carry because you literally dont have the damage to 1v5 even if youre stacked | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8785 Posts
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Bulgaria4133 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
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M2
Bulgaria4133 Posts
On May 30 2022 03:30 evilfatsh1t wrote: i had a veigar game where i had over 1.2k ap with void and i couldnt kill anyone. game was fairly long and both teams got pretty stacked, eventually lost to a fed kat that i couldnt deal with. thing is i couldnt deal with any of the other opponents either. ulting ppl at like 40%hp and they wont die its weird yeah, I just had a game as swain bot with nami vs lux and mf and if they miss an ability or two, nami was able to outsustain their damage. The weirdest parts were when I was surviving lux full combo + ult + MF's E+R however without eating the full bullet time. I was like What? last patch half of this would have overkilled me | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8785 Posts
low elo players complained about getting popped and it seems the patch in its current iteration has been designed specifically to cater to those complaints, however the real issue is that the low elo players probably just suck and dont know how to stay alive/peel etc. the evidence is that the memes about adcs getting deleted and being unplayable is a low elo problem. in high elo adcs were actually one of the strongest roles and games were decided usually by the botside, because adcs know how to position and teammates actually peel. imo if you make a mistake you should be punished for it with death. if youre a 5/0/0 mage/adc and you dont have any armor/mr, you should still die to a 0/3/0 assassin if you give them a chance to throw their whole combo on you. right now if you play an assassin you have to play perfectly, because if you go behind then you literally cannot punish anyone. most champs have like almost 200 extra hp, and 5-10 armor/mr by lvl 9 just through the extra base stat gains. thats 1-2 extra skills or 3-4 autos. i think the best thing would be to half the 12.10 changes and find some middle ground. not being able to kill people that deserve to die for their poor positioning or itemisation just feels so stupid. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
if youre a 5/0/0 mage/adc and you dont have any armor/mr, you should still die to a 0/3/0 assassin if you give them a chance to throw their whole combo on you. right now if you play an assassin you have to play perfectly, because if you go behind then you literally cannot punish anyone. Imo assassins can still do this, except that the fed ADC likely has a support nearby that will save them. And yeah, I think it's fair if you're a super behind assassin you will struggle to make picks, this is what it was like in earlier seasons, feast or famine. A fed assassin could murder an ADC missing half their abilities pre-patch, that is where the frustration came from. From a utility perspective, assassins are just as one dimensional as ADC, they have one purpose and they sacrifice everything to do it. Once they fall behind it's hard to comeback. Riot only needs to do a small change to overall tankiness, and imo they should go after items and masteries first. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On May 30 2022 14:36 evilfatsh1t wrote: looking around and it seems that most high elo players agree that the patch feels shit. low elo players complained about getting popped and it seems the patch in its current iteration has been designed specifically to cater to those complaints, however the real issue is that the low elo players probably just suck and dont know how to stay alive/peel etc. the evidence is that the memes about adcs getting deleted and being unplayable is a low elo problem. in high elo adcs were actually one of the strongest roles and games were decided usually by the botside, because adcs know how to position and teammates actually peel. imo if you make a mistake you should be punished for it with death. if youre a 5/0/0 mage/adc and you dont have any armor/mr, you should still die to a 0/3/0 assassin if you give them a chance to throw their whole combo on you. right now if you play an assassin you have to play perfectly, because if you go behind then you literally cannot punish anyone. most champs have like almost 200 extra hp, and 5-10 armor/mr by lvl 9 just through the extra base stat gains. thats 1-2 extra skills or 3-4 autos. i think the best thing would be to half the 12.10 changes and find some middle ground. not being able to kill people that deserve to die for their poor positioning or itemisation just feels so stupid. didn't think it was possible to be wrong multiple times in every single sentence you wrote but congrats you did it | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
On May 30 2022 03:30 evilfatsh1t wrote: i had a veigar game where i had over 1.2k ap with void and i couldnt kill anyone. game was fairly long and both teams got pretty stacked, eventually lost to a fed kat that i couldnt deal with. thing is i couldnt deal with any of the other opponents either. ulting ppl at like 40%hp and they wont die Maybe stop ulting the tank then? There is no way an adc/mage survives veigar ult at 40% hp with 1.2k ap | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8785 Posts
On May 30 2022 19:19 Fildun wrote: didn't think it was possible to be wrong multiple times in every single sentence you wrote but congrats you did it feel free to point out where im wrong On May 30 2022 21:01 loSleb wrote: Maybe stop ulting the tank then? There is no way an adc/mage survives veigar ult at 40% hp with 1.2k ap i shouldnt have to. pre patch with 1.2k ap as veigar your ult should kill pretty much anything at 40%, with the exception of tanks stacked on mr. my ult couldnt take out a support maokai | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On May 30 2022 14:36 evilfatsh1t wrote: 1. looking around and it seems that most high elo players agree that the patch feels shit. 2. low elo players complained about getting popped and it seems the patch in its current iteration has been designed specifically to cater to those complaints, however the real issue is that the low elo players probably just suck and dont know how to stay alive/peel etc. 3. the evidence is that the memes about adcs getting deleted and being unplayable is a low elo problem. in high elo adcs were actually one of the strongest roles and games were decided usually by the botside, because adcs know how to position and teammates actually peel. 4. imo if you make a mistake you should be punished for it with death. if youre a 5/0/0 mage/adc and you dont have any armor/mr, you should still die to a 0/3/0 assassin if you give them a chance to throw their whole combo on you. 5. right now if you play an assassin you have to play perfectly, because if you go behind then you literally cannot punish anyone. most champs have like almost 200 extra hp, and 5-10 armor/mr by lvl 9 just through the extra base stat gains. thats 1-2 extra skills or 3-4 autos. 6. i think the best thing would be to half the 12.10 changes and find some middle ground. not being able to kill people that deserve to die for their poor positioning or itemisation just feels so stupid. 1. What I've seen from streams/twitter/reddit and various regional league discord servers is that there are a few whiners who complain every patch but most people like the direction of the patch. Sure, some think it went a bit too far which is imo an entirely reasonable argument, even though I do not agree with it, but that's mostly asking to revert one change such as tower damage. I also see a lot more high elo people on my friendslist playing compared to last patch. 2. Sure, low elo sucks but really not in the way you're describing. Low elo players can't play Qiyana, Zed, Fizz, etc. Nobody dies when they should die because nobody deals the damage they should do. This makes assassins worse because they don't have sustained damage whereas if you miss a couple Qs on Ezreal you can still just continue to throw Qs if you're low elo, if you miss Fizz ulti you have to wait over a minute. Whenever I play low elo nothing ever happens and nobody ever dies, everybody is just happy to have no hands or brains and to do their own thing. 3. Look at any high elo player making a list of impact roles in the game from the last year. Top and adc are always at the bottom. Jungle/support/mid are the three most impactful roles in soloq, only in pro play adcs become somewhat relevant and even then it's tough. Also I really don't understand what you mean by 'The memes are a low elo problem'. Does this mean only low elo players create memes? How do you even know the elo of a meme maker? 4. Sure, if an assassin presses all their buttons and the mid/adc presses no buttons that mid/adc should probably die. However, this isn't relevant to most gameplay situations and every time someone says that they couldn't oneshot someone while the other person did nothing I go into the replay and see something very different happen. 5. You have to play well to do well? Gee, what a surprise. Sure, the kill zones have changed but so did your own stats. Champs like Qiyana/Talon poke people down in lane as well and they now have more space to do that before going for the kill. General trading patterns haven't changed. Plus, you were overkilling in a lot of situations before, so it's definitely not always 2 spells or 4 autos extra you have to do now. 6. If people don't die with poor positioning you either misplayed or their positioning isn't poor. Yes, this patch changes ranges of various champs, that's usually what happens with big patches. Sure, the enemies are a bit tankier which gives them a bit more room to play, but you also get a bit more room to flank because you don't get instantly blown up when found out. The patch hasn't just changed things for the enemies, it also changed things for you. Edit: Also, I'm curious, what is your IGN/server? I could maybe take a look at the specific games. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
- New champ is overtuned right now. Biggest proof is the growing popularity of the quack Frostfire Botrk build, I'm also not a big fan of a champ having access to 3.5 AS without going Lethal Tempo. - I'm a fan of everything being tankier, but I don't support the nerf to GW. If someone like Vlad or Swain pulls ahead, you basically cannot itemize against them, the GW items don't give great stats before and now their main purpose has been nerfed. - Olaf is kekw champ, make of that what you will - Riot still doesn't know what to do with Senna and Tahm: they buff ADC Senna, give Tahm more damage and just let us deal with the aftermath. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On June 17 2022 03:39 DarkCore wrote: So this is not the right patch (we're on 12.11 now), but here are my observations so far: - New champ is overtuned right now. Biggest proof is the growing popularity of the quack Frostfire Botrk build, I'm also not a big fan of a champ having access to 3.5 AS without going Lethal Tempo. - I'm a fan of everything being tankier, but I don't support the nerf to GW. If someone like Vlad or Swain pulls ahead, you basically cannot itemize against them, the GW items don't give great stats before and now their main purpose has been nerfed. - Olaf is kekw champ, make of that what you will - Riot still doesn't know what to do with Senna and Tahm: they buff ADC Senna, give Tahm more damage and just let us deal with the aftermath. I think GW(healing in general) needs another pass. Combat healing specifically is asymptotic, it's hard to play in a region where it's just an increase in time to kill, rather than a binary killable and invincible. I personally think it should be stackable, but shorter duration from different sources(champs), with stacks falling off one by one if they haven't been reapplied by the source(3s?). If you're getting targeted by 3 people who all built a cost-inefficient item to reduce healing, the target shouldn't be able to live just by healing. Zhonya's or other things (vlad pool) can drop stacks. GW can retain the current power level in this case. Gives a team that is behind a way to focus down a target, but they have to invest in it. Should also separate it out in self-healing, and then ally healing so they can have different percentages for each, or have ally spell healing reduce a stack before applying the heal. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
Olaf is very different from pre rework, he seems to scale way better than anyone was used to which will take some adapting but at the end of the day he's still a short range melee champ. New champ seems to do nothing but then he randomly kills everyone I don't really get it. Maybe they need to nerf the dash cd a bit? Feel like there's too much mobility for how strong the right click is. Another thing I discovered recently is that smurfq also exists in normals, that was even less of a fun experience than master+ mmr smurfq | ||
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