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evilfatsh1t: i wish riot spent half as much time balancing the game properly as they did designing new champions. dont understand why we need to get 3 new champions a year. theyre actively diminishing the value of their existing champions by doing this -----------------------------------------------
You serious? Its 6 new champions per year for the next few years. Rell is the 6th for 2020. This is the officially stated Riot's position
we had 6 champions this year? i just went off memory and said 3 lol who came before yone seraphine and rell? drawing blanks without looking it up anyways that makes my point even more. less champions pls
On November 24 2020 22:25 M2 wrote: evilfatsh1t: i wish riot spent half as much time balancing the game properly as they did designing new champions. dont understand why we need to get 3 new champions a year. theyre actively diminishing the value of their existing champions by doing this -----------------------------------------------
You serious? Its 6 new champions per year for the next few years. Rell is the 6th for 2020. This is the officially stated Riot's position
I think Riot was going with focusing on reworks for a while but...they found out a lot of these champs had legacy/veteran players who dedicated their entire connection to League with this champ and were more likely to leave LoL after a dramatic rework. One of their YT videos/Riot plz - articles mentioned focusing on new champs over reworks for a while.
On November 24 2020 22:25 M2 wrote: evilfatsh1t: i wish riot spent half as much time balancing the game properly as they did designing new champions. dont understand why we need to get 3 new champions a year. theyre actively diminishing the value of their existing champions by doing this -----------------------------------------------
You serious? Its 6 new champions per year for the next few years. Rell is the 6th for 2020. This is the officially stated Riot's position
I think Riot was going with focusing on reworks for a while but...they found out a lot of these champs had legacy/veteran players who dedicated their entire connection to League with this champ and were more likely to leave LoL after a dramatic rework. One of their YT videos/Riot plz - articles mentioned focusing on new champs over reworks for a while.
Good. If we are being honest most reworks don't preserve champion feel, not do they encourage healthy balance. Its just them nerfing champs they want to rework to justify the rework.
That reminds me of the Urgot rework, they nerfed his previous kit into oblivion after he was meta for a full year, then he was overtuned as fuck and they were like, people love the redesign. As soon as he wasn't OP, his playrate went right back to the old play rate.
Like the champion is a flesh golom, it's going to be popular when OP and unpopular when not OP ( I know pudge is too but he's also a hook champ)
On November 26 2020 03:53 Slusher wrote: That reminds me of the Urgot rework, they nerfed his previous kit into oblivion after he was meta for a full year, then he was overtuned as fuck and they were like, people love the redesign. As soon as he wasn't OP, his playrate went right back to the old play rate.
Like the champion is a flesh golom, it's going to be popular when OP and unpopular when not OP ( I know pudge is too but he's also a hook champ)
His kit is super oppressive though, fairly hard to balance with just numbers. Either he does enough damage to bully everyone out of lane, or he doesn't, and then there's no reason to pick him. Imo right now he's in the best possible place, obscure and not meta but some people still find success with him.
The reworks have been very hit or miss. The juggernaut patch was stupid but if it happened now, we wouldn't really complain. Sion rework was a success, if only because his original kit was a mess. Akali/Aatrox made them viable again, although even 2 years later Riot is still struggling to balance them. If the news is true, and Riot is focusing on new champions over reworks, this spells bad news for Taliyah and Udyr (who's only viable because of insane numbers).
On November 24 2020 22:25 M2 wrote: evilfatsh1t: i wish riot spent half as much time balancing the game properly as they did designing new champions. dont understand why we need to get 3 new champions a year. theyre actively diminishing the value of their existing champions by doing this -----------------------------------------------
You serious? Its 6 new champions per year for the next few years. Rell is the 6th for 2020. This is the officially stated Riot's position
I think Riot was going with focusing on reworks for a while but...they found out a lot of these champs had legacy/veteran players who dedicated their entire connection to League with this champ and were more likely to leave LoL after a dramatic rework. One of their YT videos/Riot plz - articles mentioned focusing on new champs over reworks for a while.
About time,
Most of my favourite champs have been reworked over the years and I've hated most of them. They could have just made new champions instead and left the old ones alone.
On November 26 2020 03:53 Slusher wrote: That reminds me of the Urgot rework, they nerfed his previous kit into oblivion after he was meta for a full year, then he was overtuned as fuck and they were like, people love the redesign. As soon as he wasn't OP, his playrate went right back to the old play rate.
Like the champion is a flesh golom, it's going to be popular when OP and unpopular when not OP ( I know pudge is too but he's also a hook champ)
His kit is super oppressive though, fairly hard to balance with just numbers. Either he does enough damage to bully everyone out of lane, or he doesn't, and then there's no reason to pick him. Imo right now he's in the best possible place, obscure and not meta but some people still find success with him.
The reworks have been very hit or miss. The juggernaut patch was stupid but if it happened now, we wouldn't really complain. Sion rework was a success, if only because his original kit was a mess. Akali/Aatrox made them viable again, although even 2 years later Riot is still struggling to balance them. If the news is true, and Riot is focusing on new champions over reworks, this spells bad news for Taliyah and Udyr (who's only viable because of insane numbers).
I mean that description fits old Urgot basically perfectly as well, so in the end they solved nothing except to make old urgot players sad.
On November 26 2020 03:53 Slusher wrote: That reminds me of the Urgot rework, they nerfed his previous kit into oblivion after he was meta for a full year, then he was overtuned as fuck and they were like, people love the redesign. As soon as he wasn't OP, his playrate went right back to the old play rate.
Like the champion is a flesh golom, it's going to be popular when OP and unpopular when not OP ( I know pudge is too but he's also a hook champ)
His kit is super oppressive though, fairly hard to balance with just numbers. Either he does enough damage to bully everyone out of lane, or he doesn't, and then there's no reason to pick him. Imo right now he's in the best possible place, obscure and not meta but some people still find success with him.
The reworks have been very hit or miss. The juggernaut patch was stupid but if it happened now, we wouldn't really complain. Sion rework was a success, if only because his original kit was a mess. Akali/Aatrox made them viable again, although even 2 years later Riot is still struggling to balance them. If the news is true, and Riot is focusing on new champions over reworks, this spells bad news for Taliyah and Udyr (who's only viable because of insane numbers).
I mean that description fits old Urgot basically perfectly as well, so in the end they solved nothing except to make old urgot players sad.
Pretty much.
Also Akali is a disaster because she suffers from the same thing most other new champs do, a ridiculously bloated kit. The champ is fun to play because it has tools for dealing with everything, and frustrating to play against because the champ doesn't really have weaknesses until her numbers get tuned to a point where the people can just run at her and win.
On November 24 2020 22:25 M2 wrote: evilfatsh1t: i wish riot spent half as much time balancing the game properly as they did designing new champions. dont understand why we need to get 3 new champions a year. theyre actively diminishing the value of their existing champions by doing this -----------------------------------------------
You serious? Its 6 new champions per year for the next few years. Rell is the 6th for 2020. This is the officially stated Riot's position
I think Riot was going with focusing on reworks for a while but...they found out a lot of these champs had legacy/veteran players who dedicated their entire connection to League with this champ and were more likely to leave LoL after a dramatic rework. One of their YT videos/Riot plz - articles mentioned focusing on new champs over reworks for a while.
About time,
Most of my favourite champs have been reworked over the years and I've hated most of them. They could have just made new champions instead and left the old ones alone.
Yeah, like reworking a classic champ like Sona? That could've totally been a new champion!
Ryze is one that I really liked to play at one point, and now just don't. The new ult is not my style, neither is the spreading system. I liked the old bop and boop. The other ones i miss are Graves, Gragas, and Irelia. I preferred old olaf and maokai, but still think the new versions are fun.
On November 26 2020 13:11 cLutZ wrote: Ryze is one that I really liked to play at one point, and now just don't. The new ult is not my style, neither is the spreading system. I liked the old bop and boop. The other ones i miss are Graves, Gragas, and Irelia. I preferred old olaf and maokai, but still think the new versions are fun.
I miss old Graves the most. New Graves just doesn't have the same oomph as old Graves.
Everyone who played him misses old Graves. Can't believe people miss old Gragas though, such a bs champ. And Ryze is the textbook example of why it's hard to balance a champion that scales differently from the rest of the game, singlehandedly nerfed old Frozen Heart.
Old gragas is a weird one because only his W is new really, iirc(and maybe I don't) the detonation charge up was added to Q before the W rework. And yea his old W was some dumb shit 40% damage reduction with like a 60% uptime and it always healed because his passive was instant and had no cd, oh and it gave so much AD, it gave more damage to bodyslam that skilling body slam.
I love playing that champ, but I hated him to because he was a giga gatekeeper. But tbh I just think of new Gragas as nerfed Gragas because his old W made no sense
If you do consider Gragas a rework I think it's the Warwick tier of rework
On November 27 2020 00:04 Slusher wrote: Old gragas is a weird one because only his W is new really, iirc(and maybe I don't) the detonation charge up was added to Q before the W rework. And yea his old W was some dumb shit 40% damage reduction with like a 60% uptime and it always healed because his passive was instant and had no cd, oh and it gave so much AD, it gave more damage to bodyslam that skilling body slam.
I love playing that champ, but I hated him to because he was a giga gatekeeper. But tbh I just think of new Gragas as nerfed Gragas because his old W made no sense
If you do consider Gragas a rework I think it's the Warwick tier of rework
Old Gragas was a gatekeeper, in a good way. As a melee mage he improved the landscape.
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