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[Patch 10.11] Volibear VGU General Discussion - Page 2

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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 19:12:51
June 01 2020 19:07 GMT
#21
On June 01 2020 03:55 Alaric wrote:
Doesn't he go oom super fast from the E spam if you're against champs with sustain though?

In the long fights against sustain heavy champs or tanks Catalyst solve all mana issues. Pre Catalyst look for delicious trades in minions where you can just chunk your opponent so hard they have to play back or 100% die to a gank/dive so you can crash a juicy wave for a free back.

You can often sneak a free back early, before the other champion can match your AoE damage, since you can delete minion waves with minion resets on E. Once you have a few levels and a Sapphire or even Catalyst mana is not an issue, if you're struggling with mana dont shy away from buying a Faerie Charm or two they are so insanely cost efficient it's actually insane. Charms only cost 37 gold and early game you dont need the slots anyway, if you have 125 gold and a slot just buy one it's basically a cheaper mana potion++.

On June 01 2020 03:13 Uldridge wrote:
I've talked about amumu top a few patches ago. He loses to Mordekaiser imo (skill matchup but dodging his grab is difficult), you basically win againsy everything else.

I go abyssal/thorn/sunfire/liandries. It's so much fun, although you're a bit low on the cdr with it.

I usually aim for the same build, everything has so much synergy in it from items to kit even a partial item feel like a pseudo-powerspike. Lately I've been testing skipping Bami's/Sunfire for Glacial Shroud into whatever fits the gamestate, the CDR feel like it does more damage in fights and it help with the CDR issues the technically stronger 4 item build has. In the 4 item lategame it allows for Frozen Heart when the enemy ADC hit their peak. The health on Sunfire is so nice tho...

On June 01 2020 03:13 Uldridge wrote:
Also it's funny that minions don't damage you after a certain amount of points in E and you can recall with them hitting you. Also fighting in minion waves is favorable for you, like Jek said, which is a hilarious counter intuitive thing to experience for your opponent.

Even better than recalling in minions is watching an Ashe having the audacity to press Q and right click you. I've had a game where she literally, as in the classical sense of the word, did zero damage to me. :D
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9132 Posts
June 01 2020 21:41 GMT
#22
Did any of those buffed off-meta "junglers" like Zed, Morg or Teemo end up being good enough that you can pick them blindly and don't call that trollpicking?
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 01 2020 22:47 GMT
#23
I think Broxah played jungle Morg in soloQ for a bit?
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
June 02 2020 07:52 GMT
#24
She has CC and AoE camp clear, I think she is about as pickable as jungle Brand. Zed and Teemo, not so much. Zed looks like a budget Kayn, and Teemo jungle should be reportable.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4103 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-02 10:55:34
June 02 2020 10:53 GMT
#25
On June 02 2020 06:41 Sent. wrote:
Did any of those buffed off-meta "junglers" like Zed, Morg or Teemo end up being good enough that you can pick them blindly and don't call that trollpicking?

for me these champs work in jungle only if you are autofill but good on the given champ, so being an autofill junge on its own is trolling (even though its neither on purpose nor your fault) but at least you can pick a champion that you have fun playing it, hence, at least you can navigate your champion correctly which will increases your chances to win in comparison to neither knowing how to jungle nor knowing the meta junglers. However I think that riot made these champions pickable in jungle for this exact reason, for autofills or people forced in jungle who dont wanna play jungle
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 02 2020 13:12 GMT
#26
I don't disagree with your reasoning at all, but if someone picks Zed/Teemo jungle I'm reporting them 99% of the time.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4103 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-02 13:27:55
June 02 2020 13:27 GMT
#27
On June 02 2020 22:12 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I don't disagree with your reasoning at all, but if someone picks Zed/Teemo jungle I'm reporting them 99% of the time.

well zed and teemo on their main roles are kind of reportable picks unless the person is a hardcore otp main, so I agree with you that unless you check their op.gg and see that they've played only zed for the last 4 years then they should've not picked him in the jungle
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
June 02 2020 15:02 GMT
#28
Teemo is a very strong top laner, he has hard counters but he destroys a lot of melee matchups very hard. Zed is in a tough spot because Qiyana/Akali are just straight up better assassins and also destroy him 1vs1 because they have more damage and utility.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 02 2020 17:10 GMT
#29
But they're both trash junglers. There is nothing Riot can do to make either good junglers imo. Morg, and to a lesser extent Zyra, might actually be able to work as junglers because of their kits and gank potential but they're too damn squishy. I've been meaning to try Zyra jungle personally as a Zyra support main turned Kayn jungle 1 trick, but Kayn is too free to bother risking a different champ
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 05 2020 13:57 GMT
#30
Does Last Stand proc on Karthus if he's dead? Or do you have to have a non Zero health for that to work
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
June 05 2020 19:01 GMT
#31
On June 05 2020 22:57 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Does Last Stand proc on Karthus if he's dead? Or do you have to have a non Zero health for that to work

It works. But Mejai's is too good on him to really make it worth to play suicide Karthus IMO.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
June 07 2020 19:44 GMT
#32
So I've noticed that when the client lags, I can't open Steam. The program window doesn't open up until the post game lobby loads. Spaghetti code strikes again...
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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
June 08 2020 01:52 GMT
#33
On June 08 2020 04:44 DarkCore wrote:
So I've noticed that when the client lags, I can't open Steam. The program window doesn't open up until the post game lobby loads. Spaghetti code strikes again...


Not spaghetti. They trying to lock u down and stop u from leaving.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
June 08 2020 04:23 GMT
#34
i remember in korea when dota 2 came out it was literally impossible to open the dota 2 client while lol was on.
like...it was hardcoded or some shit because not one pc out of 10s tested could do it.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
June 08 2020 07:03 GMT
#35
If they want me to stay, they have to do better. Like balance ARAM .
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 09 2020 12:29 GMT
#36
Just played my first voli game... Feels pretty similar and good in a lot of aspects.

Dude feels squishy as hell compared to old voli. If you don't press R at the right timing, you can be snowballed hard and just die instantly. I feel like they should be taking some power budget and just throwing it at his base HP / armor / MR. Feels like you have solo Lane Lucian levels of natural bulk without heavy investment.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 00:34:16
June 10 2020 00:29 GMT
#37
On June 08 2020 16:03 DarkCore wrote:
If they want me to stay, they have to do better. Like balance ARAM .

Considering how long LeBlanc has been omega broken in ARAM after the mode specific balancing, I'm starting to think the staff in charge of ARAM-balance haven't even played the it.

On June 09 2020 21:29 iCanada wrote:
Just played my first voli game... Feels pretty similar and good in a lot of aspects.

Dude feels squishy as hell compared to old voli. If you don't press R at the right timing, you can be snowballed hard and just die instantly. I feel like they should be taking some power budget and just throwing it at his base HP / armor / MR. Feels like you have solo Lane Lucian levels of natural bulk without heavy investment.

The only Volibear I've seen (and that's quite a few now) that has done something useful was a duo with a Ziggs that basically just took a tower whenever Volibear's ultimate was off cooldown. It was pretty trolly but it worked, kind of like the inting Sion strategy Volibear died a ton of times but they mowed down all towers.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
June 10 2020 07:36 GMT
#38
Yeah, I always pick her when she's available, a good LB usually does most damage in the game 75% of the time, straight up does more DPS than marksmen if you hit every spell because she can two shot anyone with less than 2000 HP, 3 shot with 2500 HP. But there are a few bigger balance problems, like Akali being uber tanky and Eve being able to blow up 3000 200 MR tanks at full build in 1.5s. And ADC balance is all over the place, 95%-110% damage are big changes for champions who only focus on building dmg. I've given up playing Ashe simply because by the time I get my second item, I'm doing 50 damage to their one armor item tank, meanwhile full tank Quinn can 4 shot squishies.
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4711 Posts
June 10 2020 10:10 GMT
#39
You havn't played old voli often if you think he used to be tanky. Have you ever rolled him in ARAM? Its hilarious how fucking useless/weak he was.
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