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Who buffs KaiSa when there are a dozen other ADCs that could use it first?
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On May 28 2020 13:55 cLutZ wrote:
Who buffs KaiSa when there are a dozen other ADCs that could use it first?
Shocking, I know, especially providing the fact that Riot is worldwide known for unbiased and fair balancing xDD
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On May 28 2020 18:31 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2020 13:55 cLutZ wrote:
Who buffs KaiSa when there are a dozen other ADCs that could use it first? Shocking, I know, especially providing the fact that Riot is worldwide known for unbiased and fair balancing xDD
^ This Guy
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My single game sample size led me to believe new Voli is way too fucking tanky innately, and could keep up with my clear (Kayn) far too well while building exclusively tank
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On May 30 2020 08:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:
My single game sample size led me to believe new Voli is way too fucking tanky innately, and could keep up with my clear (Kayn) far too well while building exclusively tank
I think he's pretty good...but not OP. Some Korean Challenger players have been running Omnistone which is what I tried (also the first time I'd ever used that rune. Pretty hilarious.
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On May 30 2020 17:03 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2020 08:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:
My single game sample size led me to believe new Voli is way too fucking tanky innately, and could keep up with my clear (Kayn) far too well while building exclusively tank I think he's pretty good...but not OP. Some Korean Challenger players have been running Omnistone which is what I tried (also the first time I'd ever used that rune. Pretty hilarious.
This is just the level of optimization that top level Korean players go through. When a new Champion gets released Koreans will take Omnistone on the Champion every time. It is because they don’t know which one is the best yet, so they take the one that iterates through all other Keystones to figure out which one is the best in the fastest way. This is why Koreans are one level above the rest of the world.
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Can anyone tell me what streamer went rapidfire cannon bard? I've had way too many bard troll my existence with RFC first/second, I refuse to believe that's a coincidence
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On May 31 2020 00:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Can anyone tell me what streamer went rapidfire cannon bard? I've had way too many bard troll my existence with RFC first/second, I refuse to believe that's a coincidence
It's the high elo meta Bard build, guy called Lathyrus on EUW started popularizing it, but that was like 3 months ago at this point.
I've seen it a bunch in my games, seems pretty good.
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On May 31 2020 06:10 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 00:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Can anyone tell me what streamer went rapidfire cannon bard? I've had way too many bard troll my existence with RFC first/second, I refuse to believe that's a coincidence It's the high elo meta Bard build, guy called Lathyrus on EUW started popularizing it, but that was like 3 months ago at this point. I've seen it a bunch in my games, seems pretty good.
I believe it's even in "off meta" section of the Bard default build path that Riot gives players. No idea if it was updated recently to include it or whether it was always there.
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First/Second? u.gg has it as a potential 5th/6th item as far as I've seen. Instead I've been trolled by bards all day going the dumbest shit imaginable. Deadman's -> RFC, RFC -> Ludens, I'm sure there's been some more dumb shit.
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The weird Bard build is legit, Deadman's into RFC is really a build in high ELO. Bard is already an obnoxious roamer, and that build lets him run at people, slow them with no real answer back because he's a mile away, and sets up engages. He doesn't need to build AP because his passive is a big steroid. That said, Bard is incredibly hard to play, even in Challenger streams I see people begging their support to not play him. So many games where he does nothing but int, only a handful of people on EUW actually see constant success with him.
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On May 31 2020 13:02 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 06:10 Fildun wrote:On May 31 2020 00:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Can anyone tell me what streamer went rapidfire cannon bard? I've had way too many bard troll my existence with RFC first/second, I refuse to believe that's a coincidence It's the high elo meta Bard build, guy called Lathyrus on EUW started popularizing it, but that was like 3 months ago at this point. I've seen it a bunch in my games, seems pretty good. I believe it's even in "off meta" section of the Bard default build path that Riot gives players. No idea if it was updated recently to include it or whether it was always there.
That was updated recently yes, but yeah as other people said deadmans into RFC is the best meta build currently.
You used to get a hextech revolver with it as well, but I think most people phased that out in favor of just rushing Deadmans, since it's such a good first item on him.
Ludens is definitely trolling though.
Actually, I looked at the good Bard players and most go Deadmans into wits end these days with more defensive items after. RFC is still fine if you're fed though.
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The DMP build is one of those builds you really just have to try youself. It looks janky as hell but once you try it everything suddenly makes sense. Sort of like how 99% of the players dismissed Genja's Triforce Kog'Maw initially.
Unrelated: I'm starting to think toplane Amumu is lowkey OP. He beat all tanks and bruisers, some Juggernauts too. Mages slaughter him tho.
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On May 31 2020 22:28 Jek wrote:
Unrelated: I'm starting to think toplane Amumu is lowkey OP. He beat all tanks and bruisers, some Juggernauts too. Mages slaughter him tho.
So you are saying that Jax, morde, sett,ornn, kled, fiora will lose to amumu? sounds weird, but I ll be curious to see it
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Mummy is surprisingly good in longer trades because of his W synergy with passive. And his E reduces CD when hit by an AA, which I think includes minions, so in the early mid game you can proc it more than comparable abilities. I actually struggled to kill him as Morde on ARAM once lol, he was taking so little damage while burning through mine. His biggest downside is that most top picks can run circles around him and have bigger outplay potential.
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On May 31 2020 23:17 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 22:28 Jek wrote:
Unrelated: I'm starting to think toplane Amumu is lowkey OP. He beat all tanks and bruisers, some Juggernauts too. Mages slaughter him tho. So you are saying that Jax, morde, sett,ornn, kled, fiora will lose to amumu? sounds weird, but I ll be curious to see it
Against tanks I go Conqueror/Ravenous Hunter and just shred them with the and W and E spam. Auto attack based bruisers does negative damage once you have Tabis the damage reduction from your E (max) is down right silly. If you can bait a fight inside their minion wave nobody can outtrade you since E resets on minion attacks too and you just go URF on their ass.
Against autoattack bruisers you can honestly go whatever keystone you want, either I'm catching people out of their comfort zone with being toplane mummy but it's really that onesided lol. The only time I dont go Conqueror is against mages where I've had better succes with Predator and just make the enemy midlaner ragequit - burrowed it from my secret agent Malphite 007 special tactics move.
I ban Mordekaiser because fuck Mordekaiser, I assume it's a race to Guise+Abyssal and then I think neither of you should be able to kill each other before back up arrive for one of you. I haven't played against Fiora yet, but I guess you can just go Tabi+Bramble and be gucci. If you can sidestep Sett W it's a free lane.
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I've talked about amumu top a few patches ago. He loses to Mordekaiser imo (skill matchup but dodging his grab is difficult), you basically win againsy everything else.
I go abyssal/thorn/sunfire/liandries. It's so much fun, although you're a bit low on the cdr with it.
Also it's funny that minions don't damage you after a certain amount of points in E and you can recall with them hitting you. Also fighting in minion waves is favorable for you, like Jek said, which is a hilarious counter intuitive thing to experience for your opponent.
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Doesn't he go oom super fast from the E spam if you're against champs with sustain though?
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E is only 35 mana though, and his mana scaling is quite good (but bad starting amount). So you run out in the early game, but it becomes spammable quickly. The main feature is that his passive and E passive make trading fairly hard.
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On June 01 2020 03:55 Alaric wrote:
Doesn't he go oom super fast from the E spam if you're against champs with sustain though?
In the long fights against sustain heavy champs or tanks Catalyst solve all mana issues. Pre Catalyst look for delicious trades in minions where you can just chunk your opponent so hard they have to play back or 100% die to a gank/dive so you can crash a juicy wave for a free back.
You can often sneak a free back early, before the other champion can match your AoE damage, since you can delete minion waves with minion resets on E. Once you have a few levels and a Sapphire or even Catalyst mana is not an issue, if you're struggling with mana dont shy away from buying a Faerie Charm or two they are so insanely cost efficient it's actually insane. Charms only cost 37 gold and early game you dont need the slots anyway, if you have 125 gold and a slot just buy one it's basically a cheaper mana potion++.
On June 01 2020 03:13 Uldridge wrote:
I've talked about amumu top a few patches ago. He loses to Mordekaiser imo (skill matchup but dodging his grab is difficult), you basically win againsy everything else.
I go abyssal/thorn/sunfire/liandries. It's so much fun, although you're a bit low on the cdr with it.
I usually aim for the same build, everything has so much synergy in it from items to kit even a partial item feel like a pseudo-powerspike. Lately I've been testing skipping Bami's/Sunfire for Glacial Shroud into whatever fits the gamestate, the CDR feel like it does more damage in fights and it help with the CDR issues the technically stronger 4 item build has. In the 4 item lategame it allows for Frozen Heart when the enemy ADC hit their peak. The health on Sunfire is so nice tho...
On June 01 2020 03:13 Uldridge wrote:
Also it's funny that minions don't damage you after a certain amount of points in E and you can recall with them hitting you. Also fighting in minion waves is favorable for you, like Jek said, which is a hilarious counter intuitive thing to experience for your opponent.
Even better than recalling in minions is watching an Ashe having the audacity to press Q and right click you. I've had a game where she literally, as in the classical sense of the word, did zero damage to me. :D
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Did any of those buffed off-meta "junglers" like Zed, Morg or Teemo end up being good enough that you can pick them blindly and don't call that trollpicking?
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I think Broxah played jungle Morg in soloQ for a bit?
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She has CC and AoE camp clear, I think she is about as pickable as jungle Brand. Zed and Teemo, not so much. Zed looks like a budget Kayn, and Teemo jungle should be reportable.
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On June 02 2020 06:41 Sent. wrote:
Did any of those buffed off-meta "junglers" like Zed, Morg or Teemo end up being good enough that you can pick them blindly and don't call that trollpicking?
for me these champs work in jungle only if you are autofill but good on the given champ, so being an autofill junge on its own is trolling (even though its neither on purpose nor your fault) but at least you can pick a champion that you have fun playing it, hence, at least you can navigate your champion correctly which will increases your chances to win in comparison to neither knowing how to jungle nor knowing the meta junglers. However I think that riot made these champions pickable in jungle for this exact reason, for autofills or people forced in jungle who dont wanna play jungle
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I don't disagree with your reasoning at all, but if someone picks Zed/Teemo jungle I'm reporting them 99% of the time.
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On June 02 2020 22:12 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I don't disagree with your reasoning at all, but if someone picks Zed/Teemo jungle I'm reporting them 99% of the time.
well zed and teemo on their main roles are kind of reportable picks unless the person is a hardcore otp main, so I agree with you that unless you check their op.gg and see that they've played only zed for the last 4 years then they should've not picked him in the jungle
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Teemo is a very strong top laner, he has hard counters but he destroys a lot of melee matchups very hard. Zed is in a tough spot because Qiyana/Akali are just straight up better assassins and also destroy him 1vs1 because they have more damage and utility.
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But they're both trash junglers. There is nothing Riot can do to make either good junglers imo. Morg, and to a lesser extent Zyra, might actually be able to work as junglers because of their kits and gank potential but they're too damn squishy. I've been meaning to try Zyra jungle personally as a Zyra support main turned Kayn jungle 1 trick, but Kayn is too free to bother risking a different champ
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Does Last Stand proc on Karthus if he's dead? Or do you have to have a non Zero health for that to work
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On June 05 2020 22:57 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Does Last Stand proc on Karthus if he's dead? Or do you have to have a non Zero health for that to work
It works. But Mejai's is too good on him to really make it worth to play suicide Karthus IMO.
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So I've noticed that when the client lags, I can't open Steam. The program window doesn't open up until the post game lobby loads. Spaghetti code strikes again...
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On June 08 2020 04:44 DarkCore wrote:
So I've noticed that when the client lags, I can't open Steam. The program window doesn't open up until the post game lobby loads. Spaghetti code strikes again...
Not spaghetti. They trying to lock u down and stop u from leaving.
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i remember in korea when dota 2 came out it was literally impossible to open the dota 2 client while lol was on.
like...it was hardcoded or some shit because not one pc out of 10s tested could do it.
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If they want me to stay, they have to do better. Like balance ARAM .
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Just played my first voli game... Feels pretty similar and good in a lot of aspects.
Dude feels squishy as hell compared to old voli. If you don't press R at the right timing, you can be snowballed hard and just die instantly. I feel like they should be taking some power budget and just throwing it at his base HP / armor / MR. Feels like you have solo Lane Lucian levels of natural bulk without heavy investment.
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On June 08 2020 16:03 DarkCore wrote:If they want me to stay, they have to do better. Like balance ARAM .
Considering how long LeBlanc has been omega broken in ARAM after the mode specific balancing, I'm starting to think the staff in charge of ARAM-balance haven't even played the it.
On June 09 2020 21:29 iCanada wrote:
Just played my first voli game... Feels pretty similar and good in a lot of aspects.
Dude feels squishy as hell compared to old voli. If you don't press R at the right timing, you can be snowballed hard and just die instantly. I feel like they should be taking some power budget and just throwing it at his base HP / armor / MR. Feels like you have solo Lane Lucian levels of natural bulk without heavy investment.
The only Volibear I've seen (and that's quite a few now) that has done something useful was a duo with a Ziggs that basically just took a tower whenever Volibear's ultimate was off cooldown. It was pretty trolly but it worked, kind of like the inting Sion strategy Volibear died a ton of times but they mowed down all towers.
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Yeah, I always pick her when she's available, a good LB usually does most damage in the game 75% of the time, straight up does more DPS than marksmen if you hit every spell because she can two shot anyone with less than 2000 HP, 3 shot with 2500 HP. But there are a few bigger balance problems, like Akali being uber tanky and Eve being able to blow up 3000 200 MR tanks at full build in 1.5s. And ADC balance is all over the place, 95%-110% damage are big changes for champions who only focus on building dmg. I've given up playing Ashe simply because by the time I get my second item, I'm doing 50 damage to their one armor item tank, meanwhile full tank Quinn can 4 shot squishies.
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You havn't played old voli often if you think he used to be tanky. Have you ever rolled him in ARAM? Its hilarious how fucking useless/weak he was.
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