EPT[Patch 10.4] Jungle Overthrow General Discussion - Page 3
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Gahlo
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On February 22 2020 18:03 DarkCore wrote: I do believe DD damage delay is true damage, so that's not true. It looks to me like Riot is trying to discourage it for ranged AAers, who have been slowly abusing it as an alternative mini PD+BT. Thus turns it into more of a tanky item, which Aatrox is going to build first into every matchup because it gives 30+30 resistances (that's super dumb). The buff to BotRK is massive, wouldn't be surprised if we suddenly saw Zed build it again. That buff combined with DD and Hydra buffs looks like Riot wants sustain bruisers to be the meta again. Like nobody is going to be able to even stand in a lane with Fiora/Aatrox because they can fully heal off a wave and have so much LS they can outheal the turret damage while being fairly tanky. That could be solved by making the abilities unique, or allowing only one item to be built (like Tear upgrades). The true damage dot is taken as a % of damage you would have taken normally after Armor/MR is taken into account, so yes, it does. | ||
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- Aatrox big, tanky boi with crazy healing and comes back from the dead (latter is only part that's seen real change) - Super fast, sneaky ninja that can hide and jumps around to assassinate, also Gunblade must be viable on her Their kits are not niche, hence whenever they are viable, they will be meta. Same story as Lee Sin, but he has a lot of games where he does poorly, and also doesn't scale well into the late game. | ||
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cLutZ
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On February 23 2020 20:29 DarkCore wrote: Aatrox was interesting, it's just seeing him played almost every pro game for months has ruined him for you. He's also been reworked a ton and still won't go away, adding more frustration. Him and Akali are two of the most poorly designed champions from a balance perspective to ever join the game, and Riot refuses to nerf them into oblivion, instead they tinker with little parts of their kit while 'but mah core design aspects' are kept unchanged: - Aatrox big, tanky boi with crazy healing and comes back from the dead (latter is only part that's seen real change) - Super fast, sneaky ninja that can hide and jumps around to assassinate, also Gunblade must be viable on her Their kits are not niche, hence whenever they are viable, they will be meta. Same story as Lee Sin, but he has a lot of games where he does poorly, and also doesn't scale well into the late game. Eh, like I said, the only interesting thing about him was his OP revive. His playstyle has always been, "Bronze Riven, but can't be punished." | ||
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iCanada
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Ideally I'd like if they could assassinate a carry like old pantheon could. New pantheon can't kill anything with less than two spell rotations regardless of what items he has. New pantheon's ability to feign threat and absorb damage makes him a much stronger champion, obviously, but it comes at a cost. | ||
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iCanada
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Aside from maybe Sett, but that champion is just not balanced. Lol. Maybe Diana? | ||
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Jek
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On February 26 2020 02:39 iCanada wrote: What solo laner is closest to old pantheon? Like I'm terms of just raw being able to built most matchups and take over a game through roaming. Qiyana? Taliyah? Talon? Akali? New pantheon? Ideally I'd like if they could assassinate a carry like old pantheon could. New pantheon can't kill anything with less than two spell rotations regardless of what items he has. New pantheon's ability to feign threat and absorb damage makes him a much stronger champion, obviously, but it comes at a cost. Talon would be my guess. He want to roam 24/7 and can completely take over the game if he get just a slight lead and has deceptively high kill threat on most squishies from level 2 and onwards. If a decent Talon gets any sort of significant lead nobody on the enemy team is allowed to have fun until Nexus explode. | ||
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As for laners, I have to sit down and look at a few. I like the idea of Talon. Ryze feels too late game heavy. All worth a go though, I'd say. I also think Sylas might be a good option. That champion when ahead is the dirtiest thing I have ever seen. That healing... Self Raka ult with twice the AP ratio., dafuq. | ||
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On February 28 2020 23:18 DarkCore wrote: Because it would make jungle paths very predictable, also what about counter jungling. You are obviously right, its just that this role doesnt have any natural consequences for leaving their lane. Of course the other jungler can take couple of camps, but it wont happen every time and it requires an action from the other side, while every other lane is punished automatically when they leave, regardless if their roam is successful or not, the punishment is always there | ||
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