EPTI don't know how long Eve mid with DFG was played, but that's what I was doing when I first started out S3 lol.
Nunu top was quite fun lol
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Uldridge
Belgium5005 Posts
I don't know how long Eve mid with DFG was played, but that's what I was doing when I first started out S3 lol. Nunu top was quite fun lol | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
The 15 minute solo Barons with Revolver+Glacial+Mercs. Lol. The hard int style early dives and instantly healing full with Q at like level 4. The empires from lane brush. So dirty. Both of those were probably by far the highest elo / rank I ever achieved, and both were quite abusive, lol. I miss AP Sion. That was my shit. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
I miss AP Sion. That was my shit. Fairly sure that was one of the first champs I actually learnt, from watching Reginald stream. The all in timings were fascinating, also the most broken and incoherent kit to ever grace this game (broken as in it didn't work). | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On February 14 2020 07:22 DarkCore wrote: Fairly sure that was one of the first champs I actually learnt, from watching Reginald stream. The all in timings were fascinating, also the most broken and incoherent kit to ever grace this game (broken as in it didn't work). Old Poppy was so fucked as well. Had played for maybe 100+ hours and had never seen her once. Then played against her as Ashe with a Janna support. Let's just say I learnt what Poppy did really quickly...and it was not fun. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On February 14 2020 03:58 DarkCore wrote: * When League of Black Cleavers happened, we actually saw old Talon played, once it was over he fell into obscurity again. Old Panth also saw play. * Mid lane old Soraka super pushing the lane without any sort of counter play. * AP Tryndamere (on Twisted Treeline) this persisted for quite some time but only because Riot didn't care. * Alistar top lane (also jungle) with the dumb W-AA mechanic * Vision changes (trinket introduction, removal of green wards) resulting in obnoxious Teemo games (think TSM played it at Worlds?). Only TSM game with Teemo at worlds I remembered was them trolling around in S3 because they were guaranteed to not make it out of groups. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
SmashGizmo + Neo theorised Nunu top and it was actually ridiculously strong with good-ish kill pressure early on and it could solo baron at spawn if you got enough of a lead (something like 3 kills or stealing enemy jungle) and most importantly enough time. Which you'd usually get because you'd make the enemy top laner cower at tower after freezing six consecutive waves on them. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 14 2020 09:06 Alaric wrote: Viktor's mana pool wasn't great if you were using E too much even without maxing it though, sounds a bit weird unless you use the timing windows like hitting 3 first, putting a second point in Q and immediately aggro-ing (which works better on squishies than bruisers, though it worked very well mid with pre-rework Viktor who had better early Q damage 'cause there wasn't the laser auto scaling off levels). Klepto Viktor top was broken AF for a few reasons: * Viktor Q with low mana cost / cooldown means constant Klepto procs; * Klepto solved the "first buy" problem of Viktor by letting you stay in lane forever; * Klepto solved Viktor's mana problems by fueling you with endless potions/elixirs; * Time Warp Tonic made your potions/elixirs busted AF by making them 20% more effective; * Time Warp Tonic meant permanent +5% MS because you were always under the effect of something; * Celerity converted that extra MS to AP; * IBG is a disgustingly good item on tank Viktor because it gives him five stats he wants: Mana (useful for both spamming Q and for Q shield strength), armor, Sheen procs, CDR, and the slow field In practice the best part was the MS. His Q speed boost + TWT 5% speed boost + Celerity + IBG slow meant he was impossible to catch but also impossible to run away from. It was kind of like the OG Blue Ezreal build, except imagine if Q was targeted and also gave you MS. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Idk, on my main ranked account I'm back in plat (400 games later zzz) maining Nidalee / Graves exclusively, and probably every three games at least one of my teammates hard flames me for not being tanky. I just don't understand though, almost no jungler is tanky. Like... The top tier at a high level is Lee, Reksai, Olaf, Elise, and AP Gragas. Lol. Do people just think that Junglers are initiating early game teamfights or something? Like, prior to third Drake spawn there is zero reason to start a straight up 50/50 fight, you're always ganking or getting picks in which you don't need to be tanky because the other team is running, dueling in which case damage is way better, being counterganked in which case they're going to focus the champion that has the most kill threat meaning being tanky is kind of useless, or counterganking in which case you don't need to be tanky because why the hell would they 100 to 0 the jungler when they could 50 to 0 the laner they already chunked that also likely does more damage? The thinking makes zero sense to me, but it's so prevalent. Am I out to lunch? Or do I just need to stop thinking about it and exercise my mute button more? | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On February 15 2020 07:33 iCanada wrote: Where does this idea that Junglers need to be tanky come from? Is it just old school thinking from laners that dont really understand the meta? Idk, on my main ranked account I'm back in plat (400 games later zzz) maining Nidalee / Graves exclusively, and probably every three games at least one of my teammates hard flames me for not being tanky. I just don't understand though, almost no jungler is tanky. Like... The top tier at a high level is Lee, Reksai, Olaf, Elise, and AP Gragas. Lol. Do people just think that Junglers are initiating early game teamfights or something? Like, prior to third Drake spawn there is zero reason to start a straight up 50/50 fight, you're always ganking or getting picks in which you don't need to be tanky because the other team is running, dueling in which case damage is way better, being counterganked in which case they're going to focus the champion that has the most kill threat meaning being tanky is kind of useless, or counterganking in which case you don't need to be tanky because why the hell would they 100 to 0 the jungler when they could 50 to 0 the laner they already chunked that also likely does more damage? The thinking makes zero sense to me, but it's so prevalent. Am I out to lunch? Or do I just need to stop thinking about it and exercise my mute button more? In Plat? I'd be less surprised if it was like that in silver/bronze but wouldn't expect that to be the case in plat. The only relevant tanky jungler in recent history has been Sej and maybe Zac and Nunu. Even then, I never blind them in solo queue because they are legit dog champs in certain matchups (and also means you are putting it all on your team to carry you). | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Idk, tanky junglers havn't been good in a long time, and like I said you just never really need to be tanky prior to your first real 50/50 contest, which would be third Drake if you lost the first two, otherwise it's likely an overzealous coin-flippy Baron call... And by this time you've had more than enough time to buy a second item if you actually need to be tanky. But even then, I don't even think teams really need a "front line" in the traditional sense now a days. I feel like a lot of players have this emotional late game fantasy of winning a hotly contested 5v5 and assume that's how league should be played, but like... I can't even really recall my last game that ended in an even teamfight. It's all creating a gold lead, flexing that to win vision, then using your vision advantage to create picks, then using your picks to force an objective with an uncontestable numbers advantage. But again, maybe I'm out to lunch. Or maybe it's because I main Nidalee and Graves, and those Champions suck at teamfighting. Lol. But like... Unless you're stupidly ahead, or have Elder buff, why risk a 5v5 fight when using map pressure and vision to get power plays is so much safer? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On February 15 2020 07:33 iCanada wrote: Where does this idea that Junglers need to be tanky come from? Is it just old school thinking from laners that dont really understand the meta? Idk, on my main ranked account I'm back in plat (400 games later zzz) maining Nidalee / Graves exclusively, and probably every three games at least one of my teammates hard flames me for not being tanky. I just don't understand though, almost no jungler is tanky. Like... The top tier at a high level is Lee, Reksai, Olaf, Elise, and AP Gragas. Lol. Do people just think that Junglers are initiating early game teamfights or something? Like, prior to third Drake spawn there is zero reason to start a straight up 50/50 fight, you're always ganking or getting picks in which you don't need to be tanky because the other team is running, dueling in which case damage is way better, being counterganked in which case they're going to focus the champion that has the most kill threat meaning being tanky is kind of useless, or counterganking in which case you don't need to be tanky because why the hell would they 100 to 0 the jungler when they could 50 to 0 the laner they already chunked that also likely does more damage? The thinking makes zero sense to me, but it's so prevalent. Am I out to lunch? Or do I just need to stop thinking about it and exercise my mute button more? Probably from the idea that if you don't pop off you're probably too poor to keep being a threat damagewise. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4133 Posts
 If you were playing lee or elise I doubt you would have gotten this remarks | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I do think Nidalee is useful if she doesn't 1v9, she utilizes Ardent + Athenes probably the best out of any champions in the game not named Soraka and maybe Sona (although Athenes seems troll if you aren't controlling where the burst heal goes). Outside of snowball-y items (Sorc Shoes, Oblivion Orb, Mejais, Void Staff, Deathcap, Lichbane, stopwatch... if you behind you build like Athenes + IBG), and Morello which you only build to hard counter healing, Ardent Censor is Nidalee's highest winrate item in Korean Soloqueue per op.gg, and you really are only building it if you're not coming close to popping off. With Runic Echoes + Athenes + Ardent, you can burst heal for 1.1 * [230 + (0.65/AP * 240 AP) + 200] = 645 HP while giving 60 AS and ardent buff, which is beast. Thats nearly 2x that of Summoner Heal. https://na.op.gg/champion/nidalee/statistics/jungle I win a lot of games being poor mans Soraka w/ an execute. Even Redemption has a ridiculous winrate, like 53% and again thats one of those items you would only consider building if you're getting dummied and trying to get carried. Graves is fair though, I suppose, only real utility is smokescreen. | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On February 14 2020 03:40 GrandInquisitor wrote: History quiz: what are some examples of the weirdest "fad" champions or metas that were popular for a patch or two, and then immediately nerfed and then never seen again? Off the top of my head: * Soraka top (most recently) * Klepto Viktor top * Runeglaive Ezreal mid * Ezreal jungle * Taric double relic shield top Also tempted to give honorable mention to Ardent Censer, which somehow in one patch, without even being buffed in that patch, went from "no one built it" to "you're trolling if you don't start Relic Shield on the ADC to help your support rush it even faster". Fucking ZZrot | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On February 14 2020 03:40 GrandInquisitor wrote: History quiz: what are some examples of the weirdest "fad" champions or metas that were popular for a patch or two, and then immediately nerfed and then never seen again? Off the top of my head: * Soraka top (most recently) * Klepto Viktor top * Runeglaive Ezreal mid * Ezreal jungle * Taric double relic shield top Also tempted to give honorable mention to Ardent Censer, which somehow in one patch, without even being buffed in that patch, went from "no one built it" to "you're trolling if you don't start Relic Shield on the ADC to help your support rush it even faster". Off-tank Ahri and Katarina with their hilariously high base numbers. 4 Relic Shield start. Dont know if Juggernaut Patch Skarner counts? Yuumi/Garen. 2-3 Wriggles Lantern on a team. Ionic Spark Shen. :'( The single patch mini-rework Taric was basically a 1v5 melee hyper carry. .... When Riot wanted to make Janna "more interactive" which resulted in them buffing literally everything if you knew Janna isn't just a mindless shield bot and lead to a ~70% winrate IIRC. On February 14 2020 03:40 GrandInquisitor wrote: Also tempted to give honorable mention to Ardent Censer, which somehow in one patch, without even being buffed in that patch, went from "no one built it" to "you're trolling if you don't start Relic Shield on the ADC to help your support rush it even faster". This one is so odd. Everyone on /jannamains knew it was busted for many patches in advance and Apdo had been ranting for months about how fucking stupid it was.... and then Riot buffed it again. Dont know if it was a gentleman's agreement about pros that they didn't start to use it until Worlds was locked on the patch or what the fuck was going on. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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