[Patch 7.24] Snowdown General Discussion

Patch 7.24b is live. Small tweaks on various champions.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

December 05 2017 20:10 GMT

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Patch 7.24: Live on Dec. 6th, 2017

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Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

December 05 2017 21:05 GMT

Damn I thought J4 was in a good spot finally. Idk why they nerfed passive and Q. Do one or the other

kongoline

6318 Posts

December 05 2017 21:35 GMT

its just riot doing riot things, if it was ahri they would buff him for no reason

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

December 05 2017 21:58 GMT

When was the last time Ahri was competitively relevant? Perhaps you meant to say Syndra?

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

December 05 2017 22:03 GMT

J4 is one of the best junglers and has been a top tier pick this whole year(mainly top though).

General_Winter

United States719 Posts

December 05 2017 22:16 GMT

Not my favorite patch.
Don't think eve needed a buff.
Not sure that the Xin nerf enough. He was pretty broken for a while. It probably helps though.
I really don't like how they handled EZ. They went a way that pulls a lot of power out of him as a jungle champ but probably doesn't solve the key problems with lane klepto.
For Malz I have no idea if the buff is enough. Honestly I just don't like it when he is good.

Rune changes make snese mostly but I think phase rush needed more help than they gave.

Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

December 05 2017 22:17 GMT

On December 06 2017 07:03 Numy wrote:
J4 is one of the best junglers and has been a top tier pick this whole year(mainly top though).

Yeah but they always nerf him to where he isnt worth picking and he is one of the most fun champions to play.

They should nerf his passive or his Q and then see where he's at. Both at once reduces his damage a lot

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

December 05 2017 22:19 GMT

Xin/J4 are beasts right now so we'll see if the double nerf hits too hard. I suspect it won't be that bad but balance is a fickle bitch. Sometimes perception is enough to hit champs hard. Sometimes one small number change pushes it past the line. J4 offers so much I don't think that will be the case though.

They should delete Malz.

Ansibled

United Kingdom9872 Posts

December 05 2017 22:30 GMT

Meanwhile on PBE Graves gets a 70% slow with a level 1 W.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

December 05 2017 22:35 GMT

#10

Just what a high burst damaged ranged powerfarming jungler needs. Massive soft CC! They should do breathalyzer tests over there. Sure he's not in a great spot but giving a massive slow and blind to a power farming high damage jungler is asking to break the game.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

December 05 2017 23:27 GMT

#11

Is it possible to teach a monkey how to play league?

AlterKot

Poland7525 Posts

December 06 2017 01:14 GMT

#12

No. source: monkey

Frolossus

United States4779 Posts

December 06 2017 03:44 GMT

#13

On December 06 2017 08:27 Sponkz wrote:
Is it possible to teach a monkey how to play league?

there are plenty of boosted animals in soloq. surely some are monkeys

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

December 06 2017 05:30 GMT

#14

Kayn is like the worst champ in the game when your team doesn't want to fight.

Being regular Kayn at 20 minutes is the worst feeling in the fucking world. LOL. Such a useless champ before the transform... no damage, no CC, so squishy...

Frolossus

United States4779 Posts

December 06 2017 05:59 GMT

#15

kayne just feels like shaco 2.0 to me

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

December 06 2017 10:51 GMT

#16

At 20 minutes I think you can just randomly go hit someone once and get full bar. It's got this odd scaling thing where later on gives more orbs to the point where anything pre 6-10 minutes is almost pointless unless you snowball the fuck out of it with constant kills. I find the far worse thing about Kayn is if you get the wrong transformation because you accidentally got an assist on different target at 12-15 minutes after trying so hard to build up to the other. Such a dumb mechanic.

It's baffling that they say they don't want to give you actual details on what transformation you are building up towards because that would make you do "sub-optimal" movements but at the same time you have to do "sub-optimal" movements to gain the optimal transformation for you. So obscuring the information just makes it so much worse for the players.

Uldridge

Belgium5232 Posts

December 06 2017 11:35 GMT

#17

Can't you choose anyway? Doesn't the mechanic allow you to transform instantly or lets you wait to choose the other?
Also: hitting ranged enemies gives Shadow Kayn orbs. Conversely, hitting melee enemies gives Demon orbs I think.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

December 06 2017 11:42 GMT

#18

If you get the wrong one you have to wait another 4 minutes before you can transform. So say it's a slow game like iCanada was talking about, if you in that one teamfight kill a ranged first when you really wanted Red form then you only getting transformation you want at 24+ minutes. At that stage of the game you may just lose it completely. It's even worse since if you were building the whole time to Red form with zero Blue form orbs but at that teamfight hit a ranged a bunch you'll get blue form due to the scaling orb nature.

When I was playing Kayn a bunch if it was a slow game I would specifically just tunnel on the type I needed in a teamfight even if it wasn't perfectly optimal. Maybe that was a bad idea but the way I see it is to be optimal overall you have to choose suboptimal lines or you get punished far too hard. Yes hitting ranged gives you Blue form while Melee gives you Red.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

December 06 2017 13:20 GMT

#19

Damn I thought J4 was in a good spot finally. Idk why they nerfed passive and Q. Do one or the other

I was surprised too, there's a lot more concerning champions in the game than Jarvan.

I personally think Kayn taking forever to change forms in a slow game is fine, because he's a high damage assassin jungler and fits a niche just like Shaco. There should be a punishment if he just sits in the jungle and farms, or doesn't make plays on the map. It's not like he is completely useless without changing forms.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

December 06 2017 14:09 GMT

#20

The issue I have with the form chance is less how long it takes and more how frustratingly obscure it is with the information surrounding the transformation. Hiding the information when it's so vital just doesn't make sense. How does that benefit the player? It punishes you heavily for making good choices in context of a fight but not in context of your own transformation while not giving you tools to properly plan out how to make good choices.

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