EPT[Patch 7.24] Snowdown General Discussion - Page 8
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Patch 7.24b is live. Small tweaks on various champions. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 23 2017 13:53 Slusher wrote: 100% winrate on Tear Taric jungle it felt strong but I got hard carried so idk if it was strong, you do stack it super fast clearing with q spam. Is it enough to keep you topped up? Did you try it machete+faerie start? | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On December 20 2017 03:00 Sent. wrote: I don't trust this "year in review" thing. Says I got a pentakill on MF and 0 pentakills in this season total. ARAM? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On December 23 2017 17:47 iCanada wrote: Is it enough to keep you topped up? Did you try it machete+faerie start? I figured attack speed didn't matter that much since Q is a Psuedo attack reset, so I opened talisman+Refill and just did full clear into tear nothing special. I ran aftershock with manaflow/Trancendence and I also went straight frozen heart off of cinderhulk, but their only ap was galio so I could do whatever. The plan was to go Heart into Visage, with the 10% from the talent itself. then maybe finish off with locket or even ardent would be pretty good since I have aoe application and get adaptive damage of it. But what happened was my midlaner got a penta kill so I killed baron with like 2000 gold so I just decided to finish Muramana because why not it was already stacked, and then we ended the game with baron, all I had was cinderhulk muramana and frozen heart. But because manaflow band is based off of mana pool, once you have a casual glacial + Tear you can give away blue np to be clear their midlaner was useless so I could kinda do whatever I wanted so I don't think it's the best game to tell how good it is. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On December 24 2017 02:30 Ansibled wrote: Even if Taric was a good jungler building tear would be garbage. Somebody haven't seen a full build Muramana Taric going 1v5.  On a champion that absolutely need a high mana pool when fighting you shouldn't be that dismissive of it. I suppose another alternative could be going 2x Crystal for a faster Iceborn? I guess Tear is if you suspect the game to go long. Tear->Muramana sort of make Taric a melee version of Ryze with more emphasis on being unkillable than burst damage. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On December 24 2017 02:58 Slusher wrote: for some reason I thought his passive scaled on mana, tbh I probably wouldn't have tried it had I known. It did a long time ago (before rework), but he turned out to be grotesquely overpowered so they made it scale off armor iirc. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Speaking of which, frostfang is OP as balls on any jungler that needs mana / uses AP. Another 60 damage in ganks is nuts, and it pays for itself despite being gold efficient as hell right when you buy it without the charge procs, but then you also get the procs, and it pays for itself in 10 minutes easily. Its close to old-school HOG from the jungle. Busted. You basicallyt get to buy two DRings, then sell them later for full price, and in the mean time its probably more gold efficient than whatever else you wanted. That said, you get Manamune online with Taric in game, you quickly become LoL's only DotA style melee carry. Like 500 damage auto attacks that are 50/50 physical/Magic with 1.9 attacks per second, 4k HP w/ 200 Armor & MR, and a consistent 600 damage shield w/ a heal for 120 HP every other second. Pretty gross. I just don't think you can avoid combat stats for that long, and even if you fed or being carried it is kind of a win-more choice. If you fed easier to just get bruiser items, press R, and run it down mid killing everything in their path. If you being carried just buy support items and let them run it down mid (hopefully killing everything in their path. LOL) | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
On the subject of AP junglers, is new eve enough better than elise that it's worth learning eve if I already play elise? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 30 2017 02:17 General_Winter wrote: Do you sell frostfang later on, or upgrade into queen's claim to get the spooky ghosts and keep the 50% move speed on hit? On the subject of AP junglers, is new eve enough better than elise that it's worth learning eve if I already play elise? You sell Frostfange later. FQC doesn't have the stat value needed for a jungler. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 30 2017 04:17 Slusher wrote: Starting to see this casual frostfang a lot. 0 question in my mind how riot will react. I'm guessing adding monsters to the lockout timer, at least. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 30 2017 02:17 General_Winter wrote: Do you sell frostfang later on, or upgrade into queen's claim to get the spooky ghosts and keep the 50% move speed on hit? On the subject of AP junglers, is new eve enough better than elise that it's worth learning eve if I already play elise? I keep it as long as I can, basically till I need a pink ward slot or you want another CDR item. The Movespeed quest bonus is pretty freakling awesome as a jungler, on Eve in particular it has saved my life many many times, and let me chase down kills a similar number of times. Spooky ghost would be cool, but FQC isn't really gold efficient. You could spend that gold instead on say a haunting guise, get 5 less AP, but the magic pen and 200 HP. Eve is waay better than Elise right now in soloqueue, but they are way different junglers. I would compare new Eve to BW mutas harass marines; you just always staying a little out of reach and out of sight, but lurking like a shark smelling blood in the water ready to pounce and snipe a squishy that paths a little out of the way, where as Elise is just a real meat and potatoes jungler, you can just kind of group to seige or teamfight. Eve can't really do either, but she can lurk behind the other team, get in, and ult out... which in solo queue means your team then engages 4v2 as 2 people chase you down after you ulted away. She can also dive really well, so if you have a strong tank "seiging" isn't necessarily bad. Probably takes 20 to 30 games to get used to playing Eve, its weird. Its kind of nice practice for a tank player actually, really sharpens your "go button" imo. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
What gives? I know I remarked that the last buff they gave him was pretty big from a stat perspective, but the boost in win rates seems delayed so it’s hard to connect. Is this a response to some meta shift? | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
My guess for the delay is simply that people have gotten the hang of Udyr again. His winrate is not exactly sky high even though he has the 2nd/3rd highest jungle winrate. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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