EPT2018 Off-season Roster Shuffle Thread - Page 9
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On November 26 2017 01:42 DarkCore wrote: - Zven has very good mechanics, if you watched his stream you would know that's true. I've seen him dance around a Heca running right at him with Kalista while staying out of range of other champs, that requires some pretty damn high APM and good precision. He doesn't make many mechanical mistakes. He doesn't possess insane skill like Uzi or Deft, but that's a pretty high bar to set to acknowledge someone. - He has great knowledge of the game. Again, if you watched his stream, where he talks about where the jungler might be, and what he can/can't do, it's great insight. Sometimes he does become a little whiny bitch, but I guess every ADC is like that when you're role is dependent on being protected by the team. - No champion pool limitations, Zven plays pretty much everything. Sure, he won't pull out the pocket Draven pick, but he is comfortable with pretty much every ADC. - Overall a well rounded player, above average in most areas. Zven doesn't play passive, but also doesn't go super aggro unless he sees a chance. He makes plays, is a solid laner and a good team fighter. Also, he doesn't tilt and is a true professional, I can't remember any incidents involving him. He's no Pray/Uzi/Ruler/Deft, but I do believe he builds a solid case for best ADC in the West atm. His power is in being all rounded, kind of like old Bang, by making no mistakes while pushing the limit to how much damage you can do. His stream is https://www.twitch.tv/zvanillan if you're interested, although sadly like the rest of EU, he doesn't stream often, and his videos get deleted after a month or so. Might change now that he's moved to TSM. I'm not even comparing him to non-Western players, for example, I thought Misfits Gaming in general had excellent individual abilities in general, and I thought even Hans Sama outperformed Zven at the Season 7 World Championship, athough I have no idea how their performances compared for the rest of the season. While I thought PerkZ's performance was quite stellar, I thought Zven's lack of raw individual prowess was one of the reasons for why G2 Esports failed to make to make it out of the group stage. That being said, looking ordinary next to Ruler or Uzi certainly is no sin, but compared to his stellar Season 5 performance where he truly looked world-class, I think Zven's damage dealing ability during team fights at the most recent international tournament left a lot to be desired. He still may be the best Western AD carry overall, but would you say he is the best Western AD carry from a sheer mechanical perspective? Is he overwhelmingly superior in terms of mechanics compared to Hans Sama, for example? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On November 26 2017 03:38 Letmelose wrote: I'm not even comparing him to non-Western players, for example, I thought Misfits Gaming in general had excellent individual abilities in general, and I thought even Hans Sama outperformed Zven at the Season 7 World Championship, athough I have no idea how their performances compared for the rest of the season. While I thought PerkZ's performance was quite stellar, I thought Zven's lack of raw individual prowess was one of the reasons for why G2 Esports failed to make to make it out of the group stage. That being said, looking ordinary next to Ruler or Uzi certainly is no sin, but compared to his stellar Season 5 performance where he truly looked world-class, I think Zven's damage dealing ability during team fights at the most recent international tournament left a lot to be desired. He still may be the best Western AD carry overall, but would you say he is the best Western AD carry from a sheer mechanical perspective? Is he overwhelmingly superior in terms of mechanics compared to Hans Sama, for example? Hans and the rest of Misfits overperformed at Worlds. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
but lets be honest, it's not going to be Rush | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
He still may be the best Western AD carry overall, but would you say he is the best Western AD carry from a sheer mechanical perspective? Is he overwhelmingly superior in terms of mechanics compared to Hans Sama, for example? Well no, Forg1ven takes that spot, and Hans is currently most mechanically gifted LCS player. But mechanics isn't everything, even if I value it pretty high myself. And Zven's mechanics are still very good, better than 75% of pro players if not higher. And yeah, Misfits overperformed in comparison to how they played the year before. But who knows, maybe they will surprise us this year now that G2 is gone, and take rank 1 in EU. Wouldn't be too surprising tbh. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On November 26 2017 00:10 Letmelose wrote: Can people who watched significant number of games of Zven inform me of his strengths as a player that elevates him above all other Western AD carries in some people's eyes? He seems to be pretty well rounded, but I personally don't see a superlative mechanical potency from him, by being oppressive during the laning phase a-la in form FORG1VEN, or insane ability to eke out every last auto-attack and ability while dodging enemy skill-shots. Is he a play-making AD carrry like PraY, or possess great positioning during team fights like Ruler? I'm struggling to put him under any specific category from the limited games I've seen from him. zven is mostly known for his teamfighting and always being relevant even if his lane gets camped to death he still manages to survive with minimal deaths and good cs he's highly coveted for those 2 things alone though like darkcore said, he is skilled in other aspects too Though I would say he never came off as a playmaker or being lane oppressive or anything like that. Great player though. rush was made for streaming lol, funny personality and an exciting to watch playstyle | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 26 2017 07:39 NeoIllusions wrote: As of last season, I would still prefer Zven over Hans Sama. Zven doesn't have the artificial boost of playing against potato Bang in a BO5 recently. Pretty sure that botlane could make anyone look really good at worlds. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 26 2017 07:41 cLutZ wrote: Zven doesn't have the artificial boost of playing against potato Bang in a BO5 recently. Pretty sure that botlane could make anyone look really good at worlds. Your words cut deep. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On November 26 2017 07:20 DarkCore wrote: Well no, Forg1ven takes that spot, and Hans is currently most mechanically gifted LCS player. But mechanics isn't everything, even if I value it pretty high myself. And Zven's mechanics are still very good, better than 75% of pro players if not higher. And yeah, Misfits overperformed in comparison to how they played the year before. But who knows, maybe they will surprise us this year now that G2 is gone, and take rank 1 in EU. Wouldn't be too surprising tbh. They have to replace at least PoE and Ignar first. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
 Who can stand up to this current MSF iteration now that G2 is gone? Fnatic? H2K? Honestly don't see it. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On November 26 2017 07:52 DarkCore wrote: Idk, I like PoE. Maybe bc he's German Who can stand up to this current MSF iteration now that G2 is gone? Fnatic? H2K? Honestly don't see it. PoE is gone, he wasn't calling PoE bad, PoE is in NA now. In terms of EU crown it should just be Fnatic's for the taking. Almost the exact same roster but a support that is a huge upgrade of Jesiz | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On November 26 2017 07:56 chipmonklord17 wrote: PoE is gone, he wasn't calling PoE bad, PoE is in NA now. In terms of EU crown it should just be Fnatic's for the taking. Almost the exact same roster but a support that is a huge upgrade of Jesiz Who knows in EU. At least by this thread's chart, tons of teams are completely unknown. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On November 26 2017 08:01 Gahlo wrote: Who knows in EU. At least by this thread's chart, tons of teams are completely unknown. I mean sure one of those random teams could be a collection of 5 players that take Europe by storm, but my bet is on nearly the same Fnatic line up that made the round of 8 at worlds and then upgraded over whatever random 5 stack forms this split. | ||
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
Deep with the truth. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On November 26 2017 07:41 cLutZ wrote: Zven doesn't have the artificial boost of playing against potato Bang in a BO5 recently. Pretty sure that botlane could make anyone look really good at worlds. i dont think hans sama even looked better than zven given that lol hans sama generally seemed mediocre to me then again sneaky was heralded as some NA adc hero this past worlds when I think he performed mediocre as well. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On November 26 2017 07:21 dsyxelic wrote: zven is mostly known for his teamfighting and always being relevant even if his lane gets camped to death he still manages to survive with minimal deaths and good cs he's highly coveted for those 2 things alone though like darkcore said, he is skilled in other aspects too Though I would say he never came off as a playmaker or being lane oppressive or anything like that. Great player though. rush was made for streaming lol, funny personality and an exciting to watch playstyle + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + It wasn't just the oppressive nature of his opponents that made Zven look far from stellar in my eyes, his ability to weave in auto-attacks really seemed off in general. Even his game versus by far the weakest team in the group (1907 Fenerbahçe Esports), positioning within the safety of his turret, Zven's lack of ability to eke out every single auto-attack leads me to ponder if his team fighting alone can really elevate him to the status of the best Western AD carry. + Show Spoiler + Hans Sama may have inferior positioning, but I think Zven's most recent demonstration of his kiting ability alone leads me to have questions about team fighting being Zven's most definitive strength. A superlative team prowess that elevates a player to a highly coveted status requires both positioning awareness and efficient auto-attack weaving capabilities, in my opinion. Zven is an established quality without huge flaws (FORG1VEN on utility based AD carries being a huge liability, as an example), but I was asking if Zven had any truly outstanding qualities that distinguished him from other Western AD carries, not how well rounded he was, which I am already in agreement with. One thing that is mentioned often seems to be his intelligence. Is he a cerebral AD carry in the mold of PraY? Does Zven orchestrate the plays on the map with utility-heavy AD carries, and dictate the tempo of the match that way? If Zven is more like Bang during his prime (who relied on superlative positioning to shine during team fights, rather than using his raw weaving mechanics like Deft), do is it mean that Zven has the best positioning out of any Western AD carries by some distance? I'm not asking about the overall worth of a player here, I'm trying to place Zven under a certain category. | ||
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