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On November 10 2017 03:11 General_Winter wrote:
The tank keystone unflinching is worth 10% tenacity for each summoner on cool down and for 10 seconds 15% for each used. So if you use both summoners at the start of a fight that's 50% tenacity from one rune. Legend tenacity is worth 20% once stacked and merc treads has 30% tenacity. So it's now feasible to get to 100% tenacity, which I don't think was ever possible before.
The implied gold value of tenacity is pretty low based on merc treads, but not many items give it and boots are weird, so it might be worth a lot more than its mathematical implied value.
Tenacity stacks multiplicatively so 10%+10%+15%+15%=/=50% but ~41.5 if I'm not mistaken.
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On November 10 2017 05:14 Uldridge wrote:
IIRC, General_Winter, tenacity stacks multiplicatively, and not additively.
Beat me to it
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On November 10 2017 05:14 Uldridge wrote:
IIRC, General_Winter, tenacity stacks multiplicatively, and not additively.
In that case it's a lot less impressive, but still pretty good. One second of CC would be reduced to a little over a third of a second.
Maybe not worth a keystone and another tune though.
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On November 09 2017 02:17 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2017 01:17 Gahlo wrote:On November 09 2017 01:03 Jek wrote:On November 09 2017 00:07 GrandInquisitor wrote:On November 08 2017 18:20 Jek wrote:
This epic skin reward.... I already had 3 out of the 5 I got, couldn't they at least have made sure you couldn't get something you already owned wtf? You mean you got 3 skins that you already owned? That seems impossible. Unless you just mean that you got 3 skins for champions that you already have skins for, in which case, unlucky. plz I got skins for all champions. I got Star Guardian Poppy, Warring Kingdoms Garen, SKT Zac, Arcade Sona and Arcade Corki. Already owned the Sona, Zac and Corki skin. It's most certainly possible to get some you already own, I'm a case of it happening. I can even see the SKT Zac listed twice in purchase history once for normal buy and once as the reward. Think I should contact Riot? I would. I just submitted a ticket. I'll report back!
Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona.
Me: I've been using Arcade Sona and Silent Night during christmas since they were released...
Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona.
Me: Dude. Look at my skin collection for supports, I got all skins, including limited editions, for all utility supports. You really think I would have missed Arcade Sona for no reason?
Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona.
Me: I can send you a clip from a gaming session with friends of me using it.
Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona.
I want to bash my head into something hard.
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Make a reddit post. Enraged redditors seem to run the company.
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PASSIVE: Basic attacks versus champions apply stacks. Attacking a new target removes all stacks from the previous target. At 3 stacks, the target takes 30 - 120 (based on level) bonus Ability powerAttack damage Adaptive damage and is made Vulnerable, taking 12% increased damage from all sources for the next 6 seconds.
Basic attacks against a Vulnerable target do not apply stacks, nor can you apply stacks to another target while one is Vulnerable.
I guess this was updated? Doesn't seem as great now that I know you can't apply it to multiple people at the same time. Seems good on a select few though. Leona and probably Lucian comes to mind. Renek probably does too but I'd have to see math on how it is compared to before since fervor was pretty damn good on him.
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On November 10 2017 11:26 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2017 02:17 Jek wrote:On November 09 2017 01:17 Gahlo wrote:On November 09 2017 01:03 Jek wrote:On November 09 2017 00:07 GrandInquisitor wrote:On November 08 2017 18:20 Jek wrote:
This epic skin reward.... I already had 3 out of the 5 I got, couldn't they at least have made sure you couldn't get something you already owned wtf? You mean you got 3 skins that you already owned? That seems impossible. Unless you just mean that you got 3 skins for champions that you already have skins for, in which case, unlucky. plz I got skins for all champions. I got Star Guardian Poppy, Warring Kingdoms Garen, SKT Zac, Arcade Sona and Arcade Corki. Already owned the Sona, Zac and Corki skin. It's most certainly possible to get some you already own, I'm a case of it happening. I can even see the SKT Zac listed twice in purchase history once for normal buy and once as the reward. Think I should contact Riot? I would. I just submitted a ticket. I'll report back! Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona. Me: I've been using Arcade Sona and Silent Night during christmas since they were released... Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona. Me: Dude. Look at my skin collection for supports, I got all skins, including limited editions, for all utility supports. You really think I would have missed Arcade Sona for no reason? Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona. Me: I can send you a clip from a gaming session with friends of me using it. Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona. I want to bash my head into something hard.
Send the clip, he has no reason to believe you
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On November 10 2017 19:13 dsyxelic wrote:
PASSIVE: Basic attacks versus champions apply stacks. Attacking a new target removes all stacks from the previous target. At 3 stacks, the target takes 30 - 120 (based on level) bonus Ability powerAttack damage Adaptive damage and is made Vulnerable, taking 12% increased damage from all sources for the next 6 seconds.
Basic attacks against a Vulnerable target do not apply stacks, nor can you apply stacks to another target while one is Vulnerable.
I guess this was updated? Doesn't seem as great now that I know you can't apply it to multiple people at the same time. Seems good on a select few though. Leona and probably Lucian comes to mind. Renek probably does too but I'd have to see math on how it is compared to before since fervor was pretty damn good on him.
It needed it, PtA was super broken.
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On November 10 2017 19:24 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2017 11:26 Jek wrote:On November 09 2017 02:17 Jek wrote:On November 09 2017 01:17 Gahlo wrote:On November 09 2017 01:03 Jek wrote:On November 09 2017 00:07 GrandInquisitor wrote:On November 08 2017 18:20 Jek wrote:
This epic skin reward.... I already had 3 out of the 5 I got, couldn't they at least have made sure you couldn't get something you already owned wtf? You mean you got 3 skins that you already owned? That seems impossible. Unless you just mean that you got 3 skins for champions that you already have skins for, in which case, unlucky. plz I got skins for all champions. I got Star Guardian Poppy, Warring Kingdoms Garen, SKT Zac, Arcade Sona and Arcade Corki. Already owned the Sona, Zac and Corki skin. It's most certainly possible to get some you already own, I'm a case of it happening. I can even see the SKT Zac listed twice in purchase history once for normal buy and once as the reward. Think I should contact Riot? I would. I just submitted a ticket. I'll report back! Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona. Me: I've been using Arcade Sona and Silent Night during christmas since they were released... Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona. Me: Dude. Look at my skin collection for supports, I got all skins, including limited editions, for all utility supports. You really think I would have missed Arcade Sona for no reason? Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona. Me: I can send you a clip from a gaming session with friends of me using it. Rioter: I can see you didn't own Arcade Sona. I want to bash my head into something hard. Send the clip, he has no reason to believe you
lol what?
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On November 10 2017 19:13 dsyxelic wrote:
PASSIVE: Basic attacks versus champions apply stacks. Attacking a new target removes all stacks from the previous target. At 3 stacks, the target takes 30 - 120 (based on level) bonus Ability powerAttack damage Adaptive damage and is made Vulnerable, taking 12% increased damage from all sources for the next 6 seconds.
Basic attacks against a Vulnerable target do not apply stacks, nor can you apply stacks to another target while one is Vulnerable.
I guess this was updated? Doesn't seem as great now that I know you can't apply it to multiple people at the same time. Seems good on a select few though. Leona and probably Lucian comes to mind. Renek probably does too but I'd have to see math on how it is compared to before since fervor was pretty damn good on him.
Leona would like it if not for the fact that she has seriously satisfying synergy with Aftershock.
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Laning against Sona seems hard. Everything does so much damage.
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The change to hunters makes Rammus's clear so much better and so much easier. With that bleed you can go raptors red krugs quite fast and gank bot at high health, or full clear without backing by going red krugs raptors and loves blue group. Red raptors blue gank mid top also works, although that always worked. What's new is a good way to gank bot while starting bot side and a good way to full clear if you don't have a good gank opportunity.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Ugh I have like 150,025 BE and I'm sorely tempted to blow it all on Urfwick. I don't even play Warwick.
But damn that recall is so dope ...
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Still working my way through new runes and trying a get a quantitative sense of what they do and how much they ought to be worth. I'm about two thirds of the way through calculating implied gold values for all the runes (to be fair this is an inexact science). One thing that jumped out so far is that gathering storm might just be a little bit bonkers. 0-10 it does nothing. 10-20 it's a perfectly reasonable non keystone rune with value in line with other runes. At 20-30 it starts providing keystone level stats. Once you hit 30-40 minutes it's worth noticeably more than most keystones. If a game somehow exceeds 40 minutes it's just unreal.
The last case is pretty rare, but most games last 20-30 minutes and having two keystones is a huge boost. And a decent number of games have their final fight in the early 30s, and the 30 minute power spike is really big.
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On November 11 2017 01:41 General_Winter wrote:
Still working my way through new runes and trying a get a quantitative sense of what they do and how much they ought to be worth. I'm about two thirds of the way through calculating implied gold values for all the runes (to be fair this is an inexact science). One thing that jumped out so far is that gathering storm might just be a little bit bonkers. 0-10 it does nothing. 10-20 it's a perfectly reasonable non keystone rune with value in line with other runes. At 20-30 it starts providing keystone level stats. Once you hit 30-40 minutes it's worth noticeably more than most keystones. If a game somehow exceeds 40 minutes it's just unreal.
The last case is pretty rare, but most games last 20-30 minutes and having two keystones is a huge boost. And a decent number of games have their final fight in the early 30s, and the 30 minute power spike is really big.
At 20-30 minutes, gathering storm gives 14 ad, or 24 ap. I wouldn't call it keystone level stats. Sorcery trait alone is about as much stats.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
The problem is that the game might be decided already at 20 minutes. That being said I don't think there's that much opportunity cost to Gathering Storm, so I usually take it.
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I feel like every game is decided at 10 minutes on this patch, followed by 10 minutes of dying everywhere.
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On November 10 2017 19:13 dsyxelic wrote:
PASSIVE: Basic attacks versus champions apply stacks. Attacking a new target removes all stacks from the previous target. At 3 stacks, the target takes 30 - 120 (based on level) bonus Ability powerAttack damage Adaptive damage and is made Vulnerable, taking 12% increased damage from all sources for the next 6 seconds.
Basic attacks against a Vulnerable target do not apply stacks, nor can you apply stacks to another target while one is Vulnerable.
I guess this was updated? Doesn't seem as great now that I know you can't apply it to multiple people at the same time. Seems good on a select few though. Leona and probably Lucian comes to mind. Renek probably does too but I'd have to see math on how it is compared to before since fervor was pretty damn good on him.
It is awful on leona wtf? Not only are the other runes useless on her but you also get 18% atk speed as stats which is just lol.
This is really good on rageblade users. I thought it was a meme but after seeing vayne absolutely destroy people I am a believer.
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On November 11 2017 02:50 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2017 19:13 dsyxelic wrote:
PASSIVE: Basic attacks versus champions apply stacks. Attacking a new target removes all stacks from the previous target. At 3 stacks, the target takes 30 - 120 (based on level) bonus Ability powerAttack damage Adaptive damage and is made Vulnerable, taking 12% increased damage from all sources for the next 6 seconds.
Basic attacks against a Vulnerable target do not apply stacks, nor can you apply stacks to another target while one is Vulnerable.
I guess this was updated? Doesn't seem as great now that I know you can't apply it to multiple people at the same time. Seems good on a select few though. Leona and probably Lucian comes to mind. Renek probably does too but I'd have to see math on how it is compared to before since fervor was pretty damn good on him. It is awful on leona wtf? Not only are the other runes useless on her but you also get 18% atk speed as stats which is just lol. This is really good on rageblade users. I thought it was a meme but after seeing vayne absolutely destroy people I am a believer.
I didn't really think of the secondary runes, was just thinking keystone. I can barely remember where certain secondaries are lol
if we think purely in terms of keystone it sounds solid because you can just auto q auto to instant proc and your whole goal is to burst 1 target
but yeah obviously if the secondaries are shit you don't want to get it
also yeah rageblade sounds good with it but why vayne in particular? true damage isnt even boosted on it
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People get caught up in the true damage on vayne but its not even most of her damage, except against mega tanks.
Though i feel like shes not too great now because of how important range is for adcs with all the huge damage on assassins.
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I mean, even during Ardent Meta Vayne's short range made her nearly unplayable.
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