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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 05 2017 05:11 Slusher wrote: One of the games where Condi played Ezreal at the worlds play ins showed just how disgustingly op catch up exp on ez is. Iirc it was game 2 vs Lyon, whichever game it was he legit gets 3 levels from 2 camps. Link? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 05 2017 05:38 Numy wrote: Wasn't that more how XP works in the jungle with each small monster giving flat xp so by doing golem dudes and raptors plus the catch up XP on them he got massive levels. Is catch up XP as a concept at fault there or the way the jungle distributes it's XP? Yes he abused exactly this by doing krugs and raptors, I'll link it when I get home later. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On October 05 2017 05:50 JimmiC wrote: Wrong the jungle should just camp what ever lane I'm in. (basically everyone's opinion always) I camp the fool that seems to not have an off button. You know who I'm talking about; the guy whose either 0-8-0 or 19-8-0. That guy either carries you or carries them. Haha. Most games have one. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 05 2017 03:48 iCanada wrote: Never said catch up xp was bad. Just said it enabled EZ to be a cancer jungle. Ez could always clear buff camps but he was troll as he'll because you would be thousands of actual gold and thousands of gold worth of level stats behind only farming 60% of the jungle half the time. You had to pop off all the time to not suck. But now he can probe for stupid shit for minutes at a time and if it pays off once you're fine. I'm not complaining, I won 6 straight EZ jungle games last night. It's just a suggestion... you want EZ out of the jungle, nerfing catchup xp would do it in an instant. By getting rid of catchup XP, you also heavily penalize active jungling unless it's successful. | ||
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geript
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 05 2017 05:59 JimmiC wrote: There is the link not sure the time you are after. nothing unusual happened in that game. EZ got levels as he should and then got boosted up a bit by taxing an taking his raptors on CD, taking dragon and baron, and using his ult to clear waves for long range XP. Catchup XP had nothing to do with it. The long range ult farming is what has always made EZ pretty good at catching back up and farming back into the game if he falls behind. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On October 05 2017 06:34 Gahlo wrote: By getting rid of catchup XP, you also heavily penalize active jungling unless it's successful. By rights I'm a Shyvana player from saints school of janglin. Would love that. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 05 2017 06:34 Gahlo wrote: By getting rid of catchup XP, you also heavily penalize active jungling unless it's successful. People being "active" aka camping lanes, is something they always have wanted to punish though. For good reason. Even bad ganks can set a laner 10+ cs and a level behind. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 05 2017 06:37 PrinceXizor wrote: The long range ult farming is what has always made EZ pretty good at catching back up and farming back into the game if he falls behind. lmao | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
8CS is srs bsns. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
"Ezreal is so weak he has to ult to clear the wave. But look, his ult doesn't even clear the wave!" -Oddone 2012 | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On October 05 2017 08:39 NeoIllusions wrote: Not even sure how many full hp creeps Ezreal can even kill with his ulti but I def feel like 8 CS is me being generous. zzz extremely generous if you get even 2 extra cs per minute past level 6 that's pretty high i'd think and that's under the assumption you're using ult off cooldown every single time throughout the game solely for farming lol but yeah thats a pretty silly statement | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 05 2017 08:48 dsyxelic wrote: extremely generous if you get even 2 extra cs per minute past level 6 that's pretty high i'd think and that's under the assumption you're using ult off cooldown every single time throughout the game solely for farming lol but yeah thats a pretty silly statement It was more about being able to snag a few extra CS while you power farm from safety to help you get back into the game, it's a tool not the toolbox. its some CS you cant get on other ADs without taking risks. but generally you should always be able to target the back line and get 3 at minimum. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On October 05 2017 09:08 PrinceXizor wrote: It was more about being able to snag a few extra CS while you power farm from safety to help you get back into the game, it's a tool not the toolbox. its some CS you cant get on other ADs without taking risks. but generally you should always be able to target the back line and get 3 at minimum. not really ez ult is never really used for 'farming' besides some very niche scenarios in the very early game like when you are still laning when you actually ult creeps outside of lane phase it's not for the CS, it's for managing waves (or in the case of ez ulting it's generally to make the best out of bad wave management). when you actually get to the point in the game where you are using ez ult for taking care of waves, 3-4 CS means absolutely nothing. and if you are ulting before that constantly for CS you are doing something fundamentally wrong with ezreal or the game or both. think you are exagerrating alot when saying "The long range ult farming is what has always made EZ pretty good at catching back up and farming back into the game if he falls behind." when you pick up maybe 10 cs total across a 30 minute game as ezreal | ||
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