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On December 12 2016 06:33 iCanada wrote:
I don't think its a bad lane. I just dont think its a lane with overly good kill pressure either, although I could be mistaken I guess. They just don't have a lot of CC or burst damage. Sustained damage and ability to win trades through outplays for sure, but its not like its Blitz-Draven or something where you screwed up once and you bursted.
That and I just hate playing my immobile tank champs against em.
The problem here is that unless you are winning vs vayne you are actually behind. So it isn't so weird to imagine that lots of people try to make shit happen and just execute poorly.
Not to mention the 5 most played ad-s excluding vayne are cait/ez/jhin/jinx/lucian and she is really good vs 4 of them lol.
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is soloq population rly this low?
i got autofilled twice in plat already today and its 6pm.
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Autofill is on whenever there isn't enough players queued up for all roles (read: not enough supports). Riot decided to shorten queue times by forcing people to support once in a while. Sometimes you can be autofilled to other roles but I'm pretty sure support "popularity" is the main reason why they made autofill like this.
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I don't mind it because of the "Auto-fill Protection" that is provided afterward.
It helps that I used to main Support though I try not to play it now if it can be helped.
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You won't get it in 90% of your games if you queue as sup or fill secondary, it was fixed
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On December 12 2016 06:52 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 06:33 iCanada wrote:
I don't think its a bad lane. I just dont think its a lane with overly good kill pressure either, although I could be mistaken I guess. They just don't have a lot of CC or burst damage. Sustained damage and ability to win trades through outplays for sure, but its not like its Blitz-Draven or something where you screwed up once and you bursted.
That and I just hate playing my immobile tank champs against em. Before the tumble revert Vayne Janna was maybe the strongest lane on that patch. in the most disgusting way. it's less disgusting. but it's still real good. You can avoid dying to it now, but it doesnt result in good times for the team, unless you are cait, or much better than the other player.
vayne nami was better
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When you get autofilled you get a protection after, but how long is this protection lasting? a game? 5 games? a day?
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jungler is still the #1 priority role in solo q, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. 90% of games are decided by the junglers, the exp is still way off. Junglers are still getting level 6 before/at the same time as laners and their pressure is even higher then last season.
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camillie is available now
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I know some of the folks here jungled her during PBE. If so what was your experience with that and what order did you skill her?
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On December 13 2016 00:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
jungler is still the #1 priority role in solo q, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. 90% of games are decided by the junglers, the exp is still way off. Junglers are still getting level 6 before/at the same time as laners and their pressure is even higher then last season.
There is already a cheese for aoe junglers where you get a spell from your mid on the small raptors to gib them with yours then go red > Krug and hit that sweet level 3 gank timing within 10 seconds of last patch.
I'm not 100% Sure how many you need to kill it might be possible for st but I've only seen it done with vi or shy
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On December 13 2016 03:02 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2016 00:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
jungler is still the #1 priority role in solo q, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. 90% of games are decided by the junglers, the exp is still way off. Junglers are still getting level 6 before/at the same time as laners and their pressure is even higher then last season. There is already a cheese for aoe junglers where you get a spell from your mid on the small raptors to gib them with yours then go red > Krug and hit that sweet level 3 gank timing within 10 seconds of last patch. I'm not 100% Sure how many you need to kill it might be possible for st but I've only seen it done with vi or shy
I'm salty that they nerfed krug xp JUST enough that you are 1 XP shy of level three from red -> Krug if you go 6% XP quints.
you should get the reward for sacrificing your quints.
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On December 13 2016 03:02 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2016 00:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
jungler is still the #1 priority role in solo q, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. 90% of games are decided by the junglers, the exp is still way off. Junglers are still getting level 6 before/at the same time as laners and their pressure is even higher then last season. There is already a cheese for aoe junglers where you get a spell from your mid on the small raptors to gib them with yours then go red > Krug and hit that sweet level 3 gank timing within 10 seconds of last patch. I'm not 100% Sure how many you need to kill it might be possible for st but I've only seen it done with vi or shy
Hmm I wonder if you could run the same cheese as shaco by prepping boxes at the raptors and then getting a good leash at red. At work now but I'll probably test this once I get home.
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think its 3 small raptors i tried it once on j4 lost half my hp so unless u play champion who can do them early game its not worth it
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You only need 1 small raptor -> red -> krugs to get lvl 3.
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played couple of games against camille today, she looks strong, but like normally strong, not something to over or underestimate
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On December 13 2016 03:23 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2016 03:02 Slusher wrote:On December 13 2016 00:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
jungler is still the #1 priority role in solo q, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. 90% of games are decided by the junglers, the exp is still way off. Junglers are still getting level 6 before/at the same time as laners and their pressure is even higher then last season. There is already a cheese for aoe junglers where you get a spell from your mid on the small raptors to gib them with yours then go red > Krug and hit that sweet level 3 gank timing within 10 seconds of last patch. I'm not 100% Sure how many you need to kill it might be possible for st but I've only seen it done with vi or shy I'm salty that they nerfed krug xp JUST enough that you are 1 XP shy of level three from red -> Krug if you go 6% XP quints. you should get the reward for sacrificing your quints.
Does it matter? Can't you just time the gank to a lane so that you arrive when a minion is about to die?
On the topic of Camille, I've only seen her twice now - Once on my team and once played by myself. I have to say that she is a ton of fun to play, likely going to be my main from now on. There are numerous little tricks you can use, the mobility is insane and she has some nice harrass.
That teammate Camille did seem to do nothing all game and just died horribly in every fight whereas in my game we won with the kills being 25-3 so it didn't really indicate anything. Stil, she's a ton of fun and that's great because after Fiora got changed I hadn't really had a champion I'd considered a lot of fun to play until now. Hopefully if they nerf her they keep the gameplay the same.
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On December 13 2016 09:38 M2 wrote:
played couple of games against camille today, she looks strong, but like normally strong, not something to over or underestimate
usually if a champ looks decent on the first day of release its probably really damn good. camille looks damn strong
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After playing a couple more games with Camille I'm thinking she's actually ridiculously strong. I mean, I was solo top vs a Malphite who had like 25 armor off runes and who built full armor(sunfire first) and I still dunked him for like 30% hp per combo and quickly whittled him down.
However, there also is a clear window of opportunity vs Camille. As I was storing my Q so that it'd proc the true damage, the Malphite ulted just before that moment and by the time I came out of the CC, my Q proc had already gone. So champions who are able to CC Camille during the window before she can do the true damage Q(the window lasts for 1.5 seconds if timed perfectly, but realistically it's less), you shut down a massive portion of Camille's damage. And for this reason, I think that Jayce for instance could do well because he can knock her away at that time and then go on her after the Q proc has faded. Garen is another champion who comes to mind - He can Q Camille just before the second Q. If Camille cannot get those true damage Qs off, she really doesn't do all that special damage. Another thing that the Malphite could have done is just used Q on me at the right time and ran away for the 1.5 second window and then re-engaged. It's possible he'd have won the exchanges if he had done that.
Therefore, there might be some counterplay here that people just haven't figured out how to do yet.
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