EPTThe other issue is I don't think thresh can jungle so your team is going to be at a massive gold/exp deficit in the earlygame fights.
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
The other issue is I don't think thresh can jungle so your team is going to be at a massive gold/exp deficit in the earlygame fights. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 02 2016 14:09 MooMooMugi wrote: New Shyv jungle can take dragon so early its crazy how much control she has over it... She kind of needs it, otherwise her passive is garbage. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 02 2016 14:16 Gahlo wrote: She kind of needs it, otherwise her passive is garbage. If you get a smiteless on red you can actuaslly red -> krugs -> crab -> dragon at level 3, using both smites. Even if you do dragons on CD from there, you dont outpace old passive until level 14-15 | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 02 2016 16:45 PrinceXizor wrote: If you get a smiteless on red you can actuaslly red -> krugs -> crab -> dragon at level 3, using both smites. Even if you do dragons on CD from there, you dont outpace old passive until level 14-15 Yeah, if you're just looking at the increased dragon damage as a means to an end for resists. I really preferred the version they had that gave you bonus based on what elements your team got, but I guess that's difficult to balance/play. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I'm cautiously optimistic. I've always liked WW and I play well on him. I don't think he's strong but his lack of mechanics makes me play smarter and win pretty frequently whereas if I on Lee or Nidalee or some shit I feel I need to outplay a kid and get bopped doing uneccesarily risky shit (or look like a God who hard carried... 50/50). I hope this doesn't kill my "back to basics" champ. 28-6 in WW games over the past 3 years. | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
On December 02 2016 16:45 PrinceXizor wrote: If you get a smiteless on red you can actuaslly red -> krugs -> crab -> dragon at level 3, using both smites. Even if you do dragons on CD from there, you dont outpace old passive until level 14-15 Vi can too :p | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On December 02 2016 09:49 dsyxelic wrote: given same gold and post level 6? yeah I don't think theres any way a thresh can outdamage an olaf lol. of course given that both are building like a normal person would and play is reasonable/evenly skilled (ex. no thresh with scripts and perfect axe dodging/kiting). I'd love to hear an argument for it though. I've won retarded matchups in the past in one for all but it was mainly due to the enemy being completely terrible and outclassed Don't forget Thresh has infinite scaling on his souls passive! Well, technically not infinite, but 999,999 souls, which would give him 750K armor and AP. So obviously Thresh just has to play for late game for the 99.99% damage reduction from Olaf's physical damage, and the 1-shot potential from a 750K damage ult. /s | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On December 04 2016 01:09 Fildun wrote: So, when are they giving towers %HP true damage? This isn't funny. Don't joke about that. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 04 2016 01:09 Fildun wrote: So, when are they giving towers %HP true damage? The second they make a champion where you can control a tower. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On December 04 2016 20:11 PrinceXizor wrote: The second they make a champion where you can control a tower. Well Riot do want to be Heroes of the Storm :D | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I feel like every option is horrible inefficient, and it makes me feel like a trash jungler. Maybe i just need to live with the clear bring worse than last season? Time wise blue>Gromp>wolf>chickens>red>golems is best but I can't do it because my team keeps getting bopped by red>golem cheese; in that scenario you need to either counter gank a level behind (bad) or pray your team doesn't feed because you can't counter jungleing cuz he is on the same side as you. Starting red side feels gross. No good paths unless you skip a camp. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I guess you could chickens red golems, but that just feels bad because you have no routing options afterwards but ganking sideline or going home. New jungle feels blargh. Maybe like buff>buff -> full clear would be good? I dunno that sounds bad too. At least we got plants though. <_< | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
My personall gameplay experience was better sans plants and with smite buffs and old timers. I used to be able to start like 4 different ways that were efficient and effective and allowed me to get closer to my win condition.. now I have 1-Ish which is not malleable and I need to make sure I don't get burned in order to not be hella poor. Much harder to just be around a Hotspot lane at critical timings now. Your kinda handcuffed and I don't like it. I used to have clear goals and the ability to path and maje decisions around that and towards that goal. Now I either do that and get out farmed or win the farm and lose critical matchups, or win critical matchup and fall behind. I know all junglers have to deal with this, but I feel like my influence is much smaller than before. I can't set up a teammate to carry without losing my ability to carry. Not sure if I'm bad or if it's an intentional change by riot, but I've adapted quite poorly to this patch imo. | ||
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