EPTHow to play around this? I've got no clue. I'd like to see some pro play on this patch to see what they are doing with it. Maybe the high level answer is to just not play any blue start junglers.
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
How to play around this? I've got no clue. I'd like to see some pro play on this patch to see what they are doing with it. Maybe the high level answer is to just not play any blue start junglers. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Which sucks because before I felt comfy doing like 4 clears at the start of a game. Now I feel OK-ish doing one. I certainly don't feel like I can pick a win condition and make a tailored choice to play to it. Which is funny because riot said they wanted to encourage that with the changes but in reality they did the opposite. So risky to just show and not get kills without jungle being cleared. You basically pick whether you want to carry and ignore the teamcomps win conditions (Scip style) or you want to enable teammate to carry. It feels bad because one used to be able to do both well. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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kongoline
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lol syndra untouched but kog gets nerfed, support items still broken af zzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
Jungle still betting screwed. The fix for red krug 3 was to take ex out of krug without giving anything back and just make jungle weaker overall Fid got a bit of help but overall no help for all the jungle champs hosed by the new design or for the overall negative experience now. Rylais is nerfed. That's probably good. Not sure if it's still worth building for various folks now. Kayle probably still wants it late and so sol may still want it early, but it's hard for me to know how it impacts others. No syndra nerf so she is still must ban. Overall not Riots best work, but nothing totally offensive other than just pulling xp out of jungle. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
She's basically the poster child for why the item was dumb Personally I think hitting the effect and both stats is going to suck for champs that do need it but we will see. Most rylais "core" heros are able to refresh it quickly i.e. Brand passive | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On December 07 2016 06:41 Gahlo wrote: Rylais nerf is pretty harmful to Syndra though, no? Her only single target spell is her ult. There is also stuff like rise of tank meta again ie poopy/naut/maokai which she really struggles with. (hecarim is also really good vs her too) items that cockblock her even more like new locket/redemption. It's been reflected in her winrate going down a bunch etc. They just want to see how she functions over this patch before any kind of nerfs much like how they are waiting to see how fervor buffs affect kallista. (Also, if they want to nerf Syndra then all they have to do is revert the W change from the Mage update. That's really it.) The more confusing thing if anything is the lack of Ryze nerfs. (and Caitlyn) | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 07 2016 07:40 Harem wrote: There is also stuff like rise of tank meta again ie poopy/naut/maokai which she really struggles with. (hecarim is also really good vs her too) items that cockblock her even more like new locket/redemption. It's been reflected in her winrate going down a bunch etc. They just want to see how she functions over this patch before any kind of nerfs much like how they are waiting to see how fervor buffs affect kallista. (Also, if they want to nerf Syndra then all they have to do is revert the W change from the Mage update. That's really it.) The more confusing thing if anything is the lack of Ryze nerfs. (and Caitlyn) Ryze nerfs? Surely you mean a Ryze rework, no? | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On December 07 2016 06:43 Slusher wrote: Not really ppl only made rylais on her because of how well budgeted it was, not because she relies on it. She's basically the poster child for why the item was dumb Personally I think hitting the effect and both stats is going to suck for champs that do need it but we will see. Most rylais "core" heros are able to refresh it quickly i.e. Brand passive The poster child was Orianna, who got basically no benefit out of the passive but always rushed it because it was a stupid amount of HP/AP. I'm glad the item got nerfed and it was a long long time coming. I disagree with your last statement though, because it's probably a buff for anyone who actually cared about the slow, i.e., Brand and Singed. Because if you really just want the slow, it's now a lot cheaper, and Liandry's is cheaper too. On December 07 2016 08:17 General_Winter wrote: Ryze winrate doesn't look out of line... It is amusing to hear you refer to winrates on one hand for Ryze, while also complaining that Syndra is "must ban", having obviously not looked at her winrates. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
It's probably not over nerfed but I just want riot to choose between longer patch cycles or more incremental changes | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
[B]On December 07 2016 08:52 GrandInquisitor It is amusing to hear you refer to winrates on one hand for Ryze, while also complaining that Syndra is "must ban", having obviously not looked at her winrates. Lol. You are totally correct and that callout was something I had coming. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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