[Patch 6.23] Replays are Here General Discussion - Page 3

On November 29 2016 03:53 Slusher wrote:
To be honest the biggest pain point in Aram for me is the number of people who don't value getting to mid asap

On November 29 2016 03:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
Teemo is strong regardless of oracles, there's enough bushes on the map to make going into them impossible, he costs your team a lot of money, and oracle users usually sit in the back, so teams still get wrecked by them after teamfights setting you up for easy wipes if they dont have a super healer. Late game he can completely deny creep waves by just putting mushrooms down the middle path. He also has a massive nuke blind on a short cd. Not S tier but he's pretty good

On November 29 2016 02:58 GrandInquisitor wrote:

You can't use it as a conclusion, but you can use it as a starting point, because otherwise we're just saying "nuh uh" and "yuh huh" at each other. Like, if someone thinks Protobelt makes Eve viable in ARAM, but won't look at statistical evidence, I dunno what to say except she's still total garbage compared to just about any other champion because half her kit makes no sense any more. But that doesn't really change anybody's mind, because we all knew that already.

Also, it's true that games with tryhard ARAMers that build correctly and skill correctly and have great rerolls are going to have vastly different winrates. But most people don't queue into that ARAM, and instead play in a world where 90% of the players don't even know Oracle's exists. Having a Veigar on your team is better than having a Teemo on your team IF your Veigar maxes E and builds tanky and IF their team builds Oracle's, but that almost never happens anyway, so is it really that inaccurate to say, "Teemo is better on ARAM than Veigar"?

On November 29 2016 03:53 Slusher wrote:
To be honest the biggest pain point in Aram for me is the number of people who don't value getting to mid asap

On November 29 2016 04:38 Jek wrote:

If you want an objective measure of a champion's actual strength, aka put it on a tier list, you cannot really include stats from people that dont utilize it properly. They might as well be playing different champions. Ryze has one of the worst winratios out of all the midlaners on the Rift but is far from a trash champion in the hands of a competent player. Ivern in bronze and silver have a horrendous win ratio but a rediculous high in masters and challenger, which would you say is the most accurate to measure his actual strength from?

The data for champion win rates in ARAM is combined for high and low MMR games since there isn't a visible rank to sort for (Riot has confirmed ARAM use it's own unique MMR system) obscuring list's accuracy immensely.

On November 29 2016 06:30 Alaric wrote:
Didn't they change it a bunch of months ago so that ARAM can give you any champ and not just one of those you own?

On November 29 2016 04:38 Jek wrote:

After vision changes you can see where his shrooms are without entering the bush, they are easy to sidestep. I will concede he was fine before vision changes tho.


If you want an objective measure of a champion's actual strength, aka put it on a tier list, you cannot really include stats from people that dont utilize it properly. They might as well be playing different champions. Ryze has one of the worst winratios out of all the midlaners on the Rift but is far from a trash champion in the hands of a competent player. Ivern in bronze and silver have a horrendous win ratio but a rediculous high in masters and challenger, which would you say is the most accurate to measure his actual strength from?

The data for champion win rates in ARAM is combined for high and low MMR games since there isn't a visible rank to sort for (Riot has confirmed ARAM use it's own unique MMR system) obscuring list's accuracy immensely.


If you can wave clear from the get-go a 4 ult vs 0 ult cheese is a legit strategy.

On November 29 2016 06:42 VayneAuthority wrote:


well just goes to show that I haven't followed preseason at all. Oracles revealing bushes without being in them is honestly insane, didn't know that. Worth buying even not against teemo then, Bush advantage is huge in ARAM.

On November 30 2016 14:21 iCanada wrote:
Man, the jungle currently is real real unforgiving / snowbally.

One of the junglers makes one bad choice and they are basically the equivalent of being down 20 CS.

I dunno, maybe it is my playstyle but I feel like as a jungle either fall ridiculously behind and fail to do much or I get really really ahead and I shitstomp everything. Every game one of the jungles doubles the other guys gold. Maybe i need to play more risk averse.

On December 01 2016 01:59 General_Winter wrote:
Did Nunu get stealth nerfed recently? I think his wintate has dropped like 5% compared to a patch ago. Was there a major jg metachange between 6.22 and 6.23?

On December 01 2016 02:25 Frolossus wrote:

i'd say the meta shifted to junglers that can level 3 gank bot after red->krugs and take the colossus keytone