EPT[Patch 6.7] Almost Outrageous General Discussion - Page 8
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 08 2016 02:15 Disengaged wrote: So, you can get fragments from arams and twisted treeline now? Literally can't tell cuz I've won alot of arams and not a single fragment. I believe it's only in game modes that have mastery. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On April 08 2016 03:10 Gahlo wrote: I believe it's only in game modes that have mastery. it was in the patch notes, fragments were added to non mastery modes, chest still mastery only | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 08 2016 03:34 Slusher wrote: it was in the patch notes, fragments were added to non mastery modes, chest still mastery only Seriously? Boo. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On April 08 2016 03:38 GrandInquisitor wrote: I'm puzzled that ARAM and 3v3 still don't have masteries. My guess is that people don't play enough, say Evelynn on ARAM or Lee Sin on 3v3 for them to have sufficient data. But that's fine, you can just get by with slightly inaccurate mastery data on those champs for now and fine-tune it later. I mean in aram you don't select your champion, I think thats a big part of it not making sense. I think adding mastery to the featured game mode (which they are doing when it comes out) that is their bone to the 'casual' player. so chests are the way they are because of the s rank thing. Keys on the other hand are based on size of group. I don't know if it's on a curve but in theory key drop is 20/40/60/80/100% on victory based on size of your premade. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 08 2016 03:57 Slusher wrote: I mean in aram you don't select your champion, I think thats a big part of it not making sense. I think adding mastery to the featured game mode (which they are doing when it comes out) that is their bone to the 'casual' player. so chests are the way they are because of the s rank thing. Keys on the other hand are based on size of group. I don't know if it's on a curve but in theory key drop is 20/40/60/80/100% on victory based on size of your premade. That seems like the worst way to distribute things that are supposed to go together. This makes hotdogs and hotdog buns seem logical. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
both are geared at increasing the size of groups in dynamic q, which has been a very thinly veiled goal of riot for the last 6 months or so. Playing in a 5 man gives you 5 chances to earn an s rank as well as virtually (not sure if actually 100%) guaranteeing you a key on victory | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 08 2016 03:57 Slusher wrote: I mean in aram you don't select your champion, I think thats a big part of it not making sense. I think adding mastery to the featured game mode (which they are doing when it comes out) that is their bone to the 'casual' player. What do you mean? Why does how you picked your champ affect whether you should get "graded" on your performance? Sure, ARAM performance is generally lower than SR performance, since presumably SR Riven games are heavily skewed towards Riven mains while ARAM Riven games are less skewed. But I don't think that's a huge problem - if you main your champ and get him in ARAM, you should expect to get a higher "grade" than someone who has to look up the champ's abilities. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
Since crafting came out ive gotten 9 keyfragments total. 3 or 4 of which i got on the first day. Still have 4 boxes left to unlock. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Mirross (red poster) 1) They drop randomly when you win games. It's not mandatory to be in a premade but it does increase the drop rate a little. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cuuOtBkZ-hextech-crafting-and-loot-qa?show=rundown actually purely by chance the same guy if you ctrl+F him says they won't add mastery to modes where you don't choose your champion so I guess they had the same feeling as me on that one. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On April 08 2016 04:28 dsyxelic wrote: No lol. Ive been primarily doing 5 man normals and barely gotten any keys. Had a 13 game 5man winstreak on one occasion and got like 1 key frag overall? Since crafting came out ive gotten 9 keyfragments total. 3 or 4 of which i got on the first day. Still have 4 boxes left to unlock. I've been soloqing almost all my games and I'm in the same boat as you. I haven't gotten a key frag past the first 9, and I've played a ton of games. I ended up just buying a key to open a chest, and I suspect if this keeps up I'll need to keep buying keys to open the chests as I keep piling them up. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On April 08 2016 04:40 Amui wrote: I've been soloqing almost all my games and I'm in the same boat as you. I haven't gotten a key frag past the first 9, and I've played a ton of games. I ended up just buying a key to open a chest, and I suspect if this keeps up I'll need to keep buying keys to open the chests as I keep piling them up. Your frag drop resets monthly just like boxes do. Its planned that way. You will always have more boxes then keys. Remember that towards the end of the year it will be harder to find champs to get boxes on. They key frag drop rate isnt some binary thing that stays stationary, its constantly changing depending on how many you have received recently. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
At the beginning I remember I was getting a fragment after like every 3-4 wins, sometimes even less. Now, I haven't gotten a single fragment after 10+ wins. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 08 2016 04:09 Slusher wrote: ?? both are geared at increasing the size of groups in dynamic q, which has been a very thinly veiled goal of riot for the last 6 months or so. Playing in a 5 man gives you 5 chances to earn an s rank as well as virtually (not sure if actually 100%) guaranteeing you a key on victory It has to do with getting fragments anywhere and chests only from mastery modes. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 07 2016 23:52 GrandInquisitor wrote: Sure. But MMR inflation due to the indeterminately small fraction of 5's not playing vs 5's is whatever, man. It ultimately has less of an effect on MMR than an AFK or someone getting their champ pool randomly banned out. It's just noise that will get lost in the signal. No that is not the way that mmr works. AFKs get lost in the signal because the effect on your games is random. You win just as much as you lose. If that wasn't the case then your MMR would increase or decrease to reflect your difference in afk rate. The MMR difference that results from this is the same size regardless of the % of games that are played between 5s and non 5s (unless, again, that % is zero). It would be the same if all of the 5s games were played against soloqueuers or .5%. The only difference is how fast the mmr difference converges to that number. Which depends on the overall number of games played and not individual. (Individual team games played against other teams determines how fast you converge towards the team mmr advantage though) | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On April 08 2016 07:52 Goumindong wrote: No that is not the way that mmr works. AFKs get lost in the signal because the effect on your games is random. You win just as much as you lose. If that wasn't the case then your MMR would increase or decrease to reflect your difference in afk rate. The MMR difference that results from this is the same size regardless of the % of games that are played between 5s and non 5s (unless, again, that % is zero). It would be the same if all of the 5s games were played against soloqueuers or .5%. The only difference is how fast the mmr difference converges to that number. Which depends on the overall number of games played and not individual. (Individual team games played against other teams determines how fast you converge towards the team mmr advantage though) assuming that you never AFK. there will always be more AFK people on the enemy team | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 08 2016 07:59 Frolossus wrote: assuming that you never AFK. there will always be more AFK people on the enemy team It is more likely that there will be more afk people on the enemy team* | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 08 2016 07:59 Frolossus wrote: assuming that you never AFK. there will always be more AFK people on the enemy team Yup (to the more likely version so the spirit of the quote) and if you never afk or disco you would have a lower than average leave rate and so will increase in MMR in accordance to the advantage that confers. But you're probably underestimating your leave rate. Leaves are a high variance occurrence and small leave rates still produce highish overall games with leavers. Which makes it hard to evaluate your leave rate compared to the average. E.G. Suppose that the average leave rate is 1/100 games. Cause doesn't matter. In games you don't leave you would expect at least one leave on either team about 8.7% of the time. Which you would notice. But your 1/100 might not even be on your radar. | ||
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