XiaoWeiXiao is Suspended

On July 23 2015 06:13 Ansibled wrote:

Can always go back to China.

On July 23 2015 06:18 Amarok wrote:
Why would his career be over? I thought elo boosting usually netted you a fortnight ban or so.

Fuck all this stuff coming out just before playoffs

On July 23 2015 06:18 Sufficiency wrote:


You have to realize:

1. There is no way he could play for LPL again if he is suspended. You give Tencent too much credit for their ability to set the rules.

2. If XWX was wanted in China he would have gone back to play S5, like vasili.

On July 23 2015 06:21 Sufficiency wrote:


If I recall correctly, someone got banned for an entire year for elo boosting recently.

On July 23 2015 06:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


If XWX wanted to play in China he could find a LSPL team very easily, and possibly a low tier LPL team if things work out. If he wanted to play in LPL Riot wouldn't be able to/want to do anything about it. IDK where you're getting "You give Tencent too much credit for their ability to set the rules" from.

On July 23 2015 06:32 Sufficiency wrote:


You must be joking.

Why would LPL want to antagonize Riot for a player who is clearly cheating? It's not worth the RP shitstorm for just one mediocre player.

On July 23 2015 06:38 MooMooMugi wrote:
Lol very likely that TIP sends Gate to mid lane and Adrian back on support during this suspension, terrible decision by XWX but at least he admitted to it instead of denying it

On July 23 2015 06:38 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:




I mean, eloboosting consistently for 1,5 years is kinda different. Anyway, Brayl teased an article about XWX's eloboosting heroics, gotta wait for it to get some information.

On July 23 2015 06:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


I'll believe LPL cares what Riot thinks if you can show me a single case where a Riot ruling impacted anything in LPL/LSPL/Chinese leagues.

You know a loooot of the pros in China elo boost right? Elo boosting is a huge stream industry too.

Also Tencent owns Riot, not the other way around. Do you know who runs LPL? Tencent Games Arena.

On July 23 2015 06:27 Ansibled wrote:
Trick got a 12 game suspension and 60 hour community service.

On July 23 2015 06:43 Sufficiency wrote:



First, let's assume XWX is going to get suspended for a year. During this time, if XWX is able to play for LPL, it would send a strong message that Riot's ruling has no effect on LPL. This is very different from your supposed theory of LPL turning a blind eye on eloboosting issues so it's not even remotely comparable.

Secondly, this will be a huge shitstorm and a PR nightmare, both for Tencent and for Riot. You have to delusional to think Tencent want to have this kind of shitstorm just for a single player - XWX. Tencent gains NOTHING from letting XWX play in LPL and everything to lose from it. Tencent has to be absolutely retarded to think this is a good move.

I guess you just hate Tencent and China for some reason, because there is absolutely no realistic scenario that XWX can play in LPL on the main roster while suspended by Riot.

On July 23 2015 06:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If XWX doesn't play on a LPL roster it will fully because no team thinks he's good enough (or he doesn't even want to play competitive in China), and not because of any consideration of Riot bans.

There will be no PR nightmare in China - Chinese fans don't give two shits about elo boosting. If anything they'd think it's hilarious that XWX can come back to get wrecked in LPL.

You should really stop commenting on the topic since you obviously don't really know anything about how League operates in China.

On July 23 2015 06:21 Sufficiency wrote:


If I recall correctly, someone got banned for an entire year for elo boosting recently.

On July 23 2015 07:00 Sufficiency wrote:
3. It's ridiculous to think Chinese fans don't give two shits about elo boosting. If you enjoy getting crushed in ranked 24/7 by professional boosters then you have bigger problems.

On July 23 2015 07:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Let's see why Tencent will favour Riot instead of LPL:

1. Riot Games is way bigger of a business than LPL. Does LPL bring in 1 billion dollars in revenue? An internationally recognized brand? If there is a conflict between two departments of Tencent, who do you think Tencent will listen to? Tencent is a conglomerate, how will it acquire other companies if something like this happens?

2. LPL can only function if Riot doesn't go to shit. In fact, LPL depends on Riot Games regardless of your crazy theories.

On July 23 2015 07:00 Sufficiency wrote:


I don't think you know how anything works. You don't just abuse your power for fun while in a position of power. You fundamentally assume Tencent is stupid, which it is not.

On July 23 2015 07:11 TheYango wrote:
China's blatant disregard for the one team per organization rule since LPL's inception should tell you how little China actually cares about how Riot runs League in the west.


Why are you trying to tell someone who is fluent in Chinese and who has actively followed the Chinese League community for years at this point what China is going to think?

On July 23 2015 07:24 Sufficiency wrote:
No. He is in NYC speculating on what happens in China.

On July 23 2015 07:27 TheYango wrote:

You're doing the exact same thing.

On July 23 2015 07:27 TheYango wrote:

You're doing the exact same thing.

Your claim that the Chinese League community actually cares about elo boosting is just as speculative as his claim that it doesn't, except his is backed by more demonstrable evidence (such as the fact he pointed out that Elo boosting is actually rampant among many high-profile players, with no significant ill will toward them from the community for it, or any action from Tencent).

On July 23 2015 07:33 Sufficiency wrote:
Except I have explained my rationales in multiple directions on why XWX won't be competing in LPL.

On July 23 2015 06:43 Sufficiency wrote:
First, let's assume XWX is going to get suspended for a year. During this time, if XWX is able to play for LPL, it would send a strong message that Riot's ruling has no effect on LPL. This is very different from your supposed theory of LPL turning a blind eye on eloboosting issues so it's not even remotely comparable.

Secondly, this will be a huge shitstorm and a PR nightmare, both for Tencent and for Riot. You have to delusional to think Tencent want to have this kind of shitstorm just for a single player - XWX. Tencent gains NOTHING from letting XWX play in LPL and everything to lose from it. Tencent has to be absolutely retarded to think this is a good move.

On July 23 2015 07:33 Sufficiency wrote:
My claim is based on that my belief that eloboosting is unfair and every single human, regardless of race, ethnicity, and upbringing, fundamentally feel strongly about things that are unfair - especially when they get victimized by it.

On July 23 2015 07:43 TheYango wrote:

This is your post presenting your actual argument in a way that's not just vaguely saying "Tencent isn't stupid" without actually saying why

The problem here is that you take it as a given that enough people will actually care about this "bad PR" for it to be a problem for anyone. There's two potential dimensions to this:
1) Chinese audiences/players will be angry at Tencent for implicitly condoning Elo boosting
2) Western audiences will be angry at Tencent/Riot for LPL not upholding Western rules

Point 1 runs counter to currently accepted ideas about how Elo boosters are viewed in China. The fact that there are many high profile players who are known Elo boosting, and who have even streamed themselves doing so with absolutely no repercussions or backlash from the community suggests that China as a whole largely does not care about Elo boosting. You have not presented any evidence contrary to this, while multiple people who watch Chinese League have confirmed this to be the case.

Point 2 runs counter to what generally happens when the West gets news about things that happen in China, which is that nobody cares after like a week. The number of people in the Western league community who have nonzero interest in what goes on in China is absurdly small, and this is generally reflected by how little Western viewership/discussion Chinese events get relative to Western or Korean counterparts. Add onto this the general short attention span of online drama, and you have the likelihood of any long-term Western backlash being very low. Again, you have not demonstrated any solid reasoning as to why this would not be the case.

Your entire argument is based around the idea that it is in the interest of Tencent to uphold this for PR reasons without having sufficiently argued why significant bad PR would arise from this.

On July 23 2015 07:43 TheYango wrote:



Again, the general ubiquity and acceptance of elo boosting in China runs counter to the idea to the idea that people care about it.

You have repeatedly failed to address this. Literally your only argument is saying that Cheep/Redox/Wonderful/myself are either lying to you or horribly misinformed when we say that the Chinese community does not care about Elo boosting when you have no evidence yourself to support that other than groundless faith.

On July 23 2015 07:56 TheYango wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/24x0lq/chinese_allstar_players_elo_boosting_euw_fans/

That wasn't very hard. It was even on a western server during All-Stars, lol.

Granted this one wasn't for money, but that's not really a meaningful distinction for something like this that you seem to feel should have been high-profile.

On July 23 2015 09:01 Zato-1 wrote:
I guess what it boils down to is, how big of a deal is it? If the community cares enough about the issue, then it becomes problematic. Read, if XiaoWeiXiao dodging Riot's ban by playing in China makes the front page of Reddit and the community makes a big fuss out of it, Riot will probably apply pressure there to save face and XiaoWeiXiao will become more trouble than he's worth.

If XiaoWeiXiao managed to slip between the cracks and play in China without the community noticing / making a big deal about it, no one would care enough to enforce this (theoretical) ban.

On July 23 2015 09:19 Shikyo wrote:
Hm. Why would he do that? I really have difficulty comprehending. People really take such huge risks for such a minimal reward? He could just stream for that amount of time and make more money.

On July 23 2015 10:05 Zess wrote:
Even if XWX moves back to China he'll go from top 4 NA LCS to LSPL bottom feeder.

On July 23 2015 10:17 Caiada wrote:
Even as an Impulse fan, yeah, no. XWX is not that great at all. He was great S4 when you could just farm and outplay, but his decision-making and play right now are just mediocre. He's wildly inconsistent. He just happens to have Apollo, Impact and Rush to take all the pressure off. It's NA or nowhere for him.

On July 23 2015 07:33 Sufficiency wrote:

I think he has a case of internalized racism where he just automatically assumes a Chinese company will do scummy and stupid things. The fact of the matter is, Tencent is not stupid and there is no way Tencent will allow XWX to compete in LPL should he be suspended by Riot - they have nothing to gain and everything to lose should they make such decision.

On July 23 2015 11:55 Majax wrote:


Riot can only ban from LCS (and internation events than organize).
When CLG members were banned from competing in OGN for 2 years, Riot didn't stopped them from competing in the LCS. I see no reason at all Tencent would act otherwise.

On July 23 2015 13:27 ricecake wrote:
This is really, really sad as a TIP fan, especially if Rush is implicated . They both seemed like such nice guys.

Aside: The picture of XWX smiling and waving, juxtaposed with this serious headline, is just a little comical.

On July 23 2015 06:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:


Riot Korea/KeSPA combo is rather harsh, nothing new. He was supposed to get way stricter punishment initially.



Yea, boring ;;



Holy shit, Sufficiency. Do you seriously believe that league where Baixing exists will care about some benchwarmer is eloboosting.

On July 23 2015 09:36 Slusher wrote:
his team has an exclusive with Azubu iirc, so he probably wouldn't get many viewers

On July 23 2015 23:15 Faker_Fanboy wrote:


whats Baixing

On July 24 2015 07:01 Slusher wrote:
http://www.teamimpulse.gg/news/2015/7/23/team-impulse-and-xiaoweixiao-statement

TIP statement.

XWX claims he didn't know it was against the rules, ok buddy

On July 24 2015 07:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


He didn't say that at all. He said he didn't realize how serious of an issue it was, which completely lines up with how Chinese players view elo boosting as I've stated multiple times in this thread. It's just so commonplace on the Chinese servers that Chinese players treat elo boosting with about the same amount of disdain as they treat smurfing - as in, not much at all. More of a "ok it's a thing, whatever."

On July 24 2015 11:21 Goumindong wrote:
It was almost certainly done with TIPs support. No other way 1400 dollars goes from one bank account to another without someone knowing about it.

On July 24 2015 11:40 Amarok wrote:


How do you figure that? If $1400 goes into my account my employer certainly doesn't hear about it.

On July 24 2015 11:55 Goumindong wrote:


If 1400 goes into your employers account then into your account they certainly do.

On July 24 2015 12:57 Zess wrote:
Why is elo boosting such a big deal anyways? You're paying people that are good at the game to try hard at winning soloq, which is miles better for the competitiveness of a region than the current circlejerking everyone whines about.

On July 24 2015 12:57 Zess wrote:
Why is elo boosting such a big deal anyways? You're paying people that are good at the game to try hard at winning soloq, which is miles better for the competitiveness of a region than the current circlejerking everyone whines about.

On July 23 2015 06:43 Azarkon wrote:
I fully believe that Tencents gives no shits about Riot. They not only control the distribution of LoL in China - the biggest Riot market, but they actually own Riot. Sure, there's contracts about what they're allowed to do to Riot and what they aren't, but it's fucking China. You think a Chinese court is going to choose Riot over Tencents? China is Tencents' home ground, not Riot's.

That said, I don't think XWX is valued enough for them to 'lift his ban.' At best, they throw him in a LSPL team and forget about him. The fact is, China is presently in no shortage of talent due to them importing all the best players they find in both the Chinese and Korean ladders. Thus, they give even less shit about XWX.

On July 24 2015 15:21 chosenkerrigan wrote:


I'm not sure you understand what ownership means. Tencent could turn Riot into a cheeseburger delivery business as long as the shareholders are okay with it. There won't be any court involved no matter what.

On July 24 2015 15:28 Sufficiency wrote:


Except Tencent won't turn Riot into a burger joint. Tencent is a huge conglomerate and it is definitely interested in acquiring other companies. It's hard to acquire companies when you have a reputation of turning world-recognized brands into burger joints.

On July 24 2015 15:36 chosenkerrigan wrote:


I never said they would, I just don't believe they would care to help enforce the ban inside China if it really comes down to that, simply because 1. No one in China would care and 2. It pretty much has 0 affect on business.

On July 24 2015 16:15 Sufficiency wrote:


To be openly defiant of Riot's ruling is a PR nightmare for Riot Games and definitely a loss of reputation of Riot. It is not something you can measure objectively in terms of business loss but it is easy to see the risks. Again, it's LPL vs Riot and Riot is an internationally recognized brand with 1 billion dollars revenue. XWX is more or less a nobody. There is absolutely no way LPL will support XWX.

On July 24 2015 12:57 Zess wrote:
Why is elo boosting such a big deal anyways? You're paying people that are good at the game to try hard at winning soloq, which is miles better for the competitiveness of a region than the current circlejerking everyone whines about.

On July 23 2015 13:27 ricecake wrote:
This is really, really sad as a TIP fan, especially if Rush is implicated . They both seemed like such nice guys.

On July 24 2015 14:30 Amarok wrote:
I think it's a pretty big deal. Worse than "toxicity" imo. A silver game with a masters player is every bit as ruined as a game where someone ragequits or intentionally feeds. Same goes for the masters game with the silver player. I doubt anyone involved enjoys the experience, except the guy raking in the $$. Oking it is essentially saying you're ok with people ruining games for their own personal profit and there's no way Riot should take that stance.

On July 24 2015 14:03 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:


as someone who actually paid people to level my halo 3 account (I was like 15 and pretty dumb dumb) here's my thoughts.


elo boosting ruins games for anyone who's actually playing with the account either before or after it got elo boosted, because you're either playing with someone a lot beter or a lot worse then the rank. so if your going to play on the account your automatically ruining the experience for people.

there's no real reason to allow it as it doesn't really have any benefit whatsoever (other than having someone make money off of being better at a game and exploiting the fact that games are somewhat anonymous). In real life you can't have someone take a test for you.

it's really a problem if the people who you actively are paying to play your game professionally are breaking your rules and making money this way because you are once again paying them an actual salary and

so to summarise my thoughts. is ELo boosting the biggest thing in the world? no but it really shouldn't be allowed and if your the company and are paying people to play your game you are perfectly justified handing out serious punishments.

Zato made a good point about making punishments harsher for if you get caught being a deterrent if its hard to detect.

On July 24 2015 18:10 Redox wrote:

Because the the Elo booster ruines the competitiveness of a big number of games. He is playing far outside his own skill level. The result of the game is decided by which side he plays on and barely by how the other players play. So the players in these games randomly lose/gain Elo. Bascially the effect is just the same as a player purpose feeding.

Then the same thing happens again when the boosted player is playing on his account again, just the other way around. Again the player is outside his skill region and decides the game's result almost on his own. Only this time by feeding. Again players randomly gain/lose Elo without influencing it much.


tldr: Elo matchmaking exists for a reason in LoL.

On July 24 2015 23:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:






So what's the difference between boosting and smurfing? Both are equally detrimental to the game by these arguments on competitiveness/mismatch in skill/etc.

On July 25 2015 00:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
Yea you guys can't use ruining games as a reason for riot not allowing/wanting it. Remember that they permaban accounts and smurfs exist as well, both of which ruin thousands of games. They would have to eliminate both of those things to make that a logical argument.

On July 25 2015 00:21 Numy wrote:
I don't really see how boosting can have a worse effect than smurfing. If the boosted party is far worse they'll quickly drop in MMR to their actual value. Smurf is the same deal. It'll ruin games then even out. Both instances will have games ruined, the only difference I see is that one has cash being exchange but even then smurf accounts can be bought. At the end of the day I don't really care about it that much. Hopefully he just gets community service like the other guy in Korea and a 2 game ban or so.

I am a bit puzzled at why he's suspended while the investigation is going on when Forgiven was notified of the investigation but not suspended during it.

On July 25 2015 00:23 Redox wrote:

Riot can not sentence anyone to community service. :D

On July 25 2015 00:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Riot's stance on boosting/smurfing is just as ambiguous and inconsistent as a lot of their other decisions though (balance, design, esports, etc. etc.). It's silly to defend it as based on some morally monolithic and self-sufficient logic when it's clearly just a bunch of people making decisions on the fly more often than not.

On July 25 2015 00:30 Numy wrote:


Riot Korea did? Or is it Kespa that handed down that sentencing. That whole deal was confusing lol.

On July 25 2015 00:33 Redox wrote:

I feel you are using strawmen here, especially by going off on that anti-Riot tangent. And noone said anything about the morals of elo boosting, noone called it evil like you did. It is disruptive to competetive inegrity, it is against the TOS, Elo exists for a reason. Its pretty simple really.

On July 25 2015 00:35 Caiada wrote:
People making subjective decisions about subjective topics. If you're expecting something more than that, well, I dunno what to tell you.

Pointing out that Riot's a bunch of different people deciding this stuff is just pedantic at this point. Of course they are. How else would it be?

Boosting has the added account security issue, monetary transactions involved, selling of ranked rewards in addition to regular boosting.

Buying accounts got Yusui banned for a month.

Smurfing is also kind of Riot's own issue with extremely high-level matchmaking and how damn long it takes to get to 30.

On July 25 2015 00:33 Redox wrote:

I feel you are using strawmen here, especially by going off on that anti-Riot tangent. And noone said anything about the morals of elo boosting, noone called it evil like you did. It is disruptive to competetive inegrity, it is against the TOS, Elo exists for a reason. Its pretty simple really.

On July 25 2015 00:59 nafta wrote:

Truth is riot don't care unless the public knows about it and someone whines about it.If they did I wouldn't know multiple people who have been boosting multiple hours daily since season 2 for a site that appears on the first page of google if you write elo boost league of legends.All riot do is sometimes remove the rewards of the main accounts of the boosters(?????) and very few of the accounts getting boosted.There has never been an account/ip/w.e ban for people who have boosted 50+ accounts from bronze to gold.

On July 25 2015 00:59 Caiada wrote:


I mean we can just ignore arguments, but then why the fuck are we discussing in the first place

On July 24 2015 15:15 Sufficiency wrote:
The problem with eloboosting is that LoL is a competitive PvP game. For most ranked players, there is little benefit from simply playing the game - a huge majority of ranked players already have most of the contents of the game unlocked. The entire "fun" of the game, for these ranked players, is their ladder ranking - it is their purpose of playing and the ranking identifies the "worth" of the player. When you have an unfair system where people can "buy" their ranking while simultaneously unfairly crush lower elo players mercilessly is a serious problem with the game.

On July 24 2015 23:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:






So what's the difference between boosting and smurfing? Both are equally detrimental to the game by these arguments on competitiveness/mismatch in skill/etc.

On July 24 2015 12:57 Zess wrote:
Why is elo boosting such a big deal anyways? You're paying people that are good at the game to try hard at winning soloq, which is miles better for the competitiveness of a region than the current circlejerking everyone whines about.

On July 25 2015 16:20 Kaneh wrote:

So boosting is worse because it also breaks the integrity of the ranking system.

On July 25 2015 23:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


Riot already did that with the league system so I think we're a bit past that concern, yea?

On July 25 2015 23:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


Riot already did that with the league system so I think we're a bit past that concern, yea?

On July 26 2015 02:31 TheYango wrote:
The league system is still more or less tied to an Elo-based system--since if your league placement strays too far from your Elo, you get auto-promoted/demoted to get back in line, so the actual underpinnings aren't any different. The system solely exists to obscure/hide information from the player because the "hidden" Elo is still used for the purpose of actual matchmaking, and is still essentially tied to your visible ranking. It's just a massive loss of information/resolution relative to just having a visible Elo, without any functional benefit in return.

On July 25 2015 23:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


Riot already did that with the league system so I think we're a bit past that concern, yea?

On July 26 2015 02:43 Sufficiency wrote:


That's not true and you know it.

On July 26 2015 02:43 Ansibled wrote:

What is the functional benefit?

On July 26 2015 02:49 Caiada wrote:
The league system is mostly to placate people in lower leagues who a) didn't care about Elo, and b) wanted something more tangible for getting better than looking at a mostly-contextless number. Hypercompetitive people just want to see where they're at, but the casual guy needs concrete progress and a reason to keep playing. It's also a big deal for guys who don't binge play the game and want a little more context for individual games.

That's like 1 in 10 people on this forum at best so of course they can't see any benefit.

On July 26 2015 02:52 TheYango wrote:
I fail to see how seeing a number go up is any more context-less than seeing an arbitrary precious metal + division number. Without looking up statistics on the spread of people across divisions/Elos, both are equally meaningless and arbitrary.

On July 26 2015 02:53 Sufficiency wrote:


That's like you ask a math major if calculus is hard - and he will tell you calculus is so easy he can do it in his sleep - even though for a vast majority of population it is still a challenging topic to tackle.

Also, keep in mind if you are Master+, you are essentially operating on Elo.

On July 26 2015 02:52 TheYango wrote:
I fail to see how seeing a number go up is any more context-less than seeing an arbitrary precious metal + division number. Without looking up statistics on the spread of people across divisions/Elos, both are equally meaningless and arbitrary.

On July 26 2015 02:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Secondly, a highly granulated Elo induces more ladder anxiety. If I just hit 1500 Elo, then I will stop playing since any loss will cause me to lose my perceived tier. If I cannot be easily demoted from Gold, then I will keep playing.

On July 26 2015 02:55 Caiada wrote:
Promotions, defined tiers, difficulty of demotion. It's a matter of perception.

On July 26 2015 02:55 nafta wrote:

because you aren't part of the people who don't use their brain

On July 26 2015 03:00 Sufficiency wrote:


You might be giving people too much credit.

The league system makes a lot of sense. Instead of giving the player the easy way in and out of an Elo bracket with the Elo system (which is way more important for Gold, which gets an end-of-season award), the league system will try to hold the player back until the system is reasonably confident that he can actually play in that bracket (via promotions, etc.). Once promoted, the player can stay in that bracket due to the confidence the system placed on the player.

On July 26 2015 02:56 TheYango wrote:

This argument was more valid at points in the past where demotion was harder/impossible. However, this ended up being subject to abuses like getting boosted to Platinum, and then being unable to be demoted so a bunch of people just hung out at Platinum V 0 LP.

With the system as it is now after all the patching, I don't really think it's as different as you make it out to be. The only real "protection" from demotion at this point is the grace period post-promotion, but that in and of itself is not tied to the League system and could just as easily be implemented with numerical Elo.


None of these are inherently incompatible with fully visible Elo.

They can all be implemented on top of visible Elo without the intentionally obscuring away information.

On July 26 2015 03:02 nafta wrote:

Well yeah exactly the system is aimed at people who give a shit about getting a pretty border not for the people who don't care about that stuff .Say for me I value knowing where I actually stand a lot more than being in division one while playing only vs people in division 3.

On July 26 2015 03:15 Sufficiency wrote:


How do you know you belong the Division 1 and others belong to Division 3?

On July 26 2015 03:30 nafta wrote:

Exactly.When I am in division one but when I look in my match histroy and everyone I play against is in division 3 it makes me question why am I division 1.Which in turn makes me want to see my actual mmr and not the shitty divisions which don't matter at all.It is just me guessing where I stand based on my gains/losses.

On July 26 2015 03:15 TheYango wrote:
One benefit I admit that I forgot to mention is that with hidden Elo, it's much easier for Riot to curtail Elo inflation, which was always a rampant problem of the system leading up to the league system's inception.

Prior to the league system, the only solution for Riot would be the end-of-season ladder reset, which really wasn't good enough.

On July 26 2015 03:09 Ansibled wrote:


Gold V is much easier, Plat is the new Gold.

On August 12 2015 11:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


We'll see lol.

On August 13 2015 01:09 Ansibled wrote:
I don't think he cared about going to worlds much.

On August 25 2015 23:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
XWX is now streaming on Longzhu lol. Wonder how popular his stream will be...