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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
They may be forced to blow up this entire experiment sooner rather than later. Nobody except Sneaky is performing at a top tier level even for NA If Meteos made this decision on his own then I can kind of understand it, but if this was a managerial decision it seems completely insane. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 04 2015 03:15 MajorityofOne wrote: The sky is officially falling for Cloud 9 They may be forced to blow up this entire experiment sooner rather than later. Nobody except Sneaky is performing at a top tier level even for NA If Meteos made this decision on his own then I can kind of understand it, but if this was a managerial decision it seems completely insane. They got docked bans by Riot for late submission so highly doubt it was management. Seems something happened and Meteos just had enough. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
on paper it looks like Incarnati0n is a bust and Balls is trash, but ofc stats lie in this game. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On July 04 2015 03:21 Slusher wrote: I haven't been able to watch NA this split since like week 2 due to work, is Meteos playing badly? on paper it looks like Incarnati0n is a bust and Balls is trash, but ofc stats lie in this game. Everyone's looked pretty miserable, honestly. Occasional flashes of competence combined with some *dreadful* calls. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
I wonder if Meteos is stepping down more so for mental health reasons than anything else. I mean, you go from a Worlds contending team for 2 years in a row (which puts a lot of pressure on you to begin with), and are thrust into a new role (of being the shotcaller) after your main shotcaller retires due to health issues in the spring season. You are expected to perform at a similar level as the shotcaller while still being expected to do the same plays and being that playmaking jungler you have always been. And then your summer season is nothing but growing pains and loses left and right, with the community asking/saying something to the effect of, 'is C9 done in NA LCS?' Then there's the internal pressure on you from the coaches, staff, and the other players. If he is gone from the scene entirely and basically straight up retiring, and with Hai stepping in to fill for Meteos for the moment (I suspect they'll try to find a replacement jungler and hand shotcalling over to Lemon), then I wish him all the best. As for the organization itself, after this season it will probably be time to rebuild, probably looking to rebuild around Sneaky and Incarnati0n if they even still want to play after this shit goes down. On July 04 2015 03:21 Slusher wrote: I haven't been able to watch NA this split since like week 2 due to work, is Meteos playing badly? on paper it looks like Incarnati0n is a bust and Balls is trash, but ofc stats lie in this game. To me, Balls looks lost (and can't get a carry top laner for himself), Meteos' jungling looked ok (which is a downgrade from how it was in s3 and s4), Incarnati0n I feel is still adjusting to the pro scene and trying to expand his champion pool, Sneaky seemed to be doing fine, and Lemon just looks a bit slow. Honestly, I think everyone in NA finally caught up to c9 in terms of their rotations and game management, which is what c9 used to dominate so hard in season 3 and season 4, and the individual player's weaknesses (mainly being average at mechanical skill level) is catching up to them. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Wita
Denmark267 Posts
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
On July 04 2015 03:19 Numy wrote: They got docked bans by Riot for late submission so highly doubt it was management. Seems something happened and Meteos just had enough. Yeah thats what it looks like. Which is really unfortunate for C9...and probably means the ``hes staying in C9` talk is a bit of fluff | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On July 04 2015 04:27 krndandaman wrote: I feel like hai is going to be really good in the jungle even on short notice. just a gut feeling. current meta doesn't require too many mechanics for junglers and I think he'll feel more at home shotcalling from a less intensive (at least mechanically) role. he also loves initiating so it's a perfect fit for him to play tank junglers that can initiate. I mean they didn't qualify for the first ever season of LCS with Hai as jungle, and a big part of what turned them around was moving him to mid. long time ago though | ||
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astray71
United States325 Posts
On July 04 2015 03:34 Kinie wrote: This is just me speculating here, with no real source of information or what have you, just an observation. I wonder if Meteos is stepping down more so for mental health reasons than anything else. I mean, you go from a Worlds contending team for 2 years in a row (which puts a lot of pressure on you to begin with), and are thrust into a new role (of being the shotcaller) after your main shotcaller retires due to health issues in the spring season. You are expected to perform at a similar level as the shotcaller while still being expected to do the same plays and being that playmaking jungler you have always been. And then your summer season is nothing but growing pains and loses left and right, with the community asking/saying something to the effect of, 'is C9 done in NA LCS?' Then there's the internal pressure on you from the coaches, staff, and the other players. If he is gone from the scene entirely and basically straight up retiring, and with Hai stepping in to fill for Meteos for the moment (I suspect they'll try to find a replacement jungler and hand shotcalling over to Lemon), then I wish him all the best. As for the organization itself, after this season it will probably be time to rebuild, probably looking to rebuild around Sneaky and Incarnati0n if they even still want to play after this shit goes down. This. But for the mental health reason, we all know from interviews that morale was low in the spring season. The players didn't say it, but I'd guess that the feeling of "replace Hai" was lingering slightly in all of the players. Now, after dropping what seemed to be the players' idea of what was causing them to lose, they pick up a highly mechanical (supposedly) solo queue player and everything was supposed to be fixed. Then the summer split happened and Cloud 9 find out that they literally just threw out the guy that kept them relevant all this time. That's a pretty big hit to know that they were the cause of the downfall for the other guys on the team. Feels like Meteos just broke first because he was the designated shot caller. I'd guess that this happened after just losing a scrim or something because Hai was pretty clear on not want to play professionally anymore. Upper management probably just told him to finish the season so they have time to find a replacement. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 03 2015 22:13 Scip wrote: No, you're wrong, at least in the standard lanes games I watched his exp and gold advantage came predominantly from accurate jungle paths and ganking. He was the best jungler in the west, no contest. In laneswaps he was ahead simply because entire C9 was 1 meta ahead of everyone else when it came to laneswaps at the time. I very much agree. Meteo (Peak Meteos) never had a "farm heavy" style, he just had a "waste no time" style. His real weakness was that he was never as mechanically gifted as someone like Dandy/insec (which makes what constitutes a "good gank" slightly different) and his lanes were never as useful as those of Cyanide or even Oddone. At worlds they were competitive with Fnatic despite having a mostlyeven bottom lane and 2 solo laners that were much worse. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 04 2015 05:51 BrownBear wrote: Random idea for the CLG Meteos crowd, what if C9 traded Meteos for Zion? It gives C9 a playmaker, replaces their weakest member, and gives CLG a real jungler. It would require Hai to stay on in jungle though, which he may not want to do. Would gut CLG as Zion is the main reason they look good. Upgrade for C9 though in top lane. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 04 2015 05:55 Numy wrote: Would gut CLG as Zion is the main reason they look good. Upgrade for C9 though in top lane. Yep. Trading away a proven performer and arguably #1 toplaner NA for a jungler who's been struggling this split would make no sense for CLG. Might as well ask TSM to trade away Bjergsen for Altec because they want an upgrade in their ADC role. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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