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C9 Emergency Substitution: C9 Hai in for Meteos

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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-03 10:07:48
July 03 2015 10:03 GMT
#1
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LoL Esports announced that Hai 'Hai' Lam will be an emergency substitution for Will 'Meteos' Hartman. Cloud 9 will lose two bans for their game on Saturday.

#LCS info: @Cloud9gg is making an emergency roster change, subbing @Hai_L9 in for @meteoslol


Due to submitting a valid roster past the deadline, @Cloud9gg will lose two bans for Saturday's #LCS matches


Source: LoL Esports Twitter (1) - LoL Esports Twitter (2)
Que Sera Sera
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
July 03 2015 10:04 GMT
#2
Wondering what are the facts. Rumours says Meteos left C9 but I highly doubt it, no idea what happened.
CLG.Meteos would be nice.
Also C9 is playing Liquid on saturday, which is a nice info.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 03 2015 10:09 GMT
#3
On July 03 2015 19:04 739 wrote:
Wondering what are the facts. Rumours says Meteos left C9 but I highly doubt it, no idea what happened.
CLG.Meteos would be nice.
Also C9 is playing Liquid on saturday, which is a nice info.

AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
July 03 2015 10:14 GMT
#4
Sneaky's stream after the announcement was either full troll, or very sad. The emotional music and the memeing...
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
July 03 2015 10:25 GMT
#5
On July 03 2015 19:14 AdsMoFro wrote:
Sneaky's stream after the announcement was either full troll, or very sad. The emotional music and the memeing...


Doubt it was trolling given the situation.

I wonder how C9 will perform with Hai in jungle. My guess is that they won't return t former glory, but the shotcalling would be there and they might actually get something done. Sneaky said it himself they looked like a bunch of headless chickens, no real game plan.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 03 2015 10:57 GMT
#6
Wow... it had to be Meteos of all people. I was sure Balls would be next on the block.
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TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
July 03 2015 10:58 GMT
#7
so where is the official C9 statement?
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 03 2015 11:03 GMT
#8
If CLG picks up Meteos they will have really cornered the market on overrated NA players.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 03 2015 11:08 GMT
#9
Lol

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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 03 2015 11:12 GMT
#10
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astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
July 03 2015 11:14 GMT
#11
I'm not so sure about Meteos just leaving C9. A family emergency sounds far more reasonable, but we'll have to wait to see what happens.

I have my fingers crossed to see instant results with Hai in the lineup
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St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
July 03 2015 11:19 GMT
#12
I think meteos is just a very good player who, if I had to speculate, got burdened too much with the shotcalling issue not working and freaked out
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 03 2015 12:37 GMT
#13
Relgation incoming~
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 03 2015 12:41 GMT
#14
If Hai's jungling doesnt work out then C9 is getting relegated almost certainly
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 03 2015 12:48 GMT
#15
On July 03 2015 20:12 krndandaman wrote:
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On July 03 2015 20:03 Ansibled wrote:
If CLG picks up Meteos they will have really cornered the market on overrated NA players.


don't really think 'overrated' is the term to describe meteos. it was clear when he was actually really good and when he was falling off. for the most part, his team succeeded and failed according to his performances so he wasn't really overrated or underrated.

He was way overrated when C9 had success right after they got into the LCS and people attributed it solely to his skill when how ahead he was of other junglers had the farm allocation at its core (Balls and Hai were often 20+ cs behind their opponents even without laneswaps because Meteos would farm a lot, and tax heavily whenever he ganked, hence how rich he was and his ability to beat the enemy jungler in duels and counterganks).
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 03 2015 12:56 GMT
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 03 2015 13:00 GMT
#17
You can be the best jungler in the west, and be overrated in how much better you are than your peers.
For example, his game sense/perception of game flow isn't as good as people made it out to be if the whole team was specifically accommodating him, which they were.

(Which doesn't mean that Santorin would do as well if TSM poured all their resources into him, obviously.)
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 03 2015 13:00 GMT
#18
On July 03 2015 21:56 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2015 21:48 Alaric wrote:
On July 03 2015 20:12 krndandaman wrote:
On July 03 2015 20:03 Ansibled wrote:
If CLG picks up Meteos they will have really cornered the market on overrated NA players.


don't really think 'overrated' is the term to describe meteos. it was clear when he was actually really good and when he was falling off. for the most part, his team succeeded and failed according to his performances so he wasn't really overrated or underrated.

He was way overrated when C9 had success right after they got into the LCS and people attributed it solely to his skill when how ahead he was of other junglers had the farm allocation at its core (Balls and Hai were often 20+ cs behind their opponents even without laneswaps because Meteos would farm a lot, and tax heavily whenever he ganked, hence how rich he was and his ability to beat the enemy jungler in duels and counterganks).


he wasn't overrated. he was clearly the best jungler in the west, unless you're going to argue that? if you aren't, I don't see how you can argue he was overrated? I don't remember anyone saying he was best jungler world or anything like that.

No he wasn't, watch C9 vs GMB at IEM.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-03 13:04:32
July 03 2015 13:03 GMT
#19
Meteos was never "clearly the best jungler in the West", he was clearly the best jungle in North America and one of the best junglers in the West. Don't think I've seen people claiming that he was the best in the West.

If Meteos is gone I doubt Hai will be a full time replacement. His wrist problems are still around from what I know so full time practice isn't something he can do. I always liked the idea of Hai replacing Lemon while Lemon moved to a more coachy role.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 03 2015 13:12 GMT
#20
On July 03 2015 22:03 Numy wrote:
Meteos was never "clearly the best jungler in the West", he was clearly the best jungle in North America and one of the best junglers in the West. Don't think I've seen people claiming that he was the best in the West.

Really? I have seen tons of people claiming that. Also I was among them.
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