EPT[Patch 5.10] Ekko General Discussion - Page 24
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kongoline
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On June 03 2015 09:30 krndandaman wrote: e should definitely be prioritized over r why's that? R evolve works really well in ganks and small scale skirmishes in my experience. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 03 2015 09:38 SagaZ wrote: why's that? R evolve works really well in ganks and small scale skirmishes in my experience. Because you can't skip resets until 16 and evolving Q first is pretty much only way to go if you wanna be relevant. R was only good when it gave 50% damage reduction as pre-16 evolution, W-E or KaKAO's E-Q was always superior. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 03 2015 09:38 SagaZ wrote: why's that? R evolve works really well in ganks and small scale skirmishes in my experience. Gotta get them Mario kill streaks. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I don't even evolve R after they took the damage reduction off of it, Jump range on E seems really important to me, I agree that while he isn't terrible late 'farming it out' isn't the ideal way to play him and E range really increases your chances of landing the slow, at that point damage isn't as important since you are still in the lane/gank phase idk I certainly can get behind Q, but R is balls | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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ZataN
New Zealand414 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:33 Senorcuidado wrote: I've still been maxing and evolving W first, I guess that's the play style I learned back when it was good. I like the utility, but that's probably not the most optimal way to play k6 right now. I don't pick him much in ranked lately anyway because it seems like a bad idea in league of tanks. But I gotta tell ya I really want to be wrong about that. I think that was the old midlane Khazix build? Probably still good for midlane so you can safely farm up. I think Q max and Q or E evolve better for jungle though. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 03 2015 12:21 krndandaman wrote: there was a certain period of time where W evolve first for jungle was standard. khazix went through a cycle of like Q evolve, R evolve, W evolve, Q evolve iirc Ah yes, the Riot cycle of "He's doing too much damage, so we're scaling that back and giving him some utility." to "He's too tanky for an assassin, so we're removing that and giving him a bit more poke." to "He's poking too much, so we're taking that away and giving him some of the old Q damage back. Just wait till everything else gets nerfed so he can be good again." | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
I'm a bit curious as to why we don't see Vel'Koz a bit more often in mid lane. I know his ratios are shit, but the true damage he deals with his passive means he cuts through tanks a bit easier than most pokey AP mages right now. Is it just because his damage is shit that we don't see him? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 03 2015 15:35 Kinie wrote: I think the "general" evolve order on Kha6 now is Q or E first, then grabbing the other second, and getting whatever for the third one. You generally go E first if you expect to be turret diving for kills and want to goomba jump from person to person in team fights, while Q first is for true solo killing/ganking while the support/jungler/mid roams. I'm a bit curious as to why we don't see Vel'Koz a bit more often in mid lane. I know his ratios are shit, but the true damage he deals with his passive means he cuts through tanks a bit easier than most pokey AP mages right now. Is it just because his damage is shit that we don't see him? My friend had a similar sentiment a couple days ago after tearing his way through plat with velkoz. | ||
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thejuju
United States413 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On June 03 2015 15:40 wei2coolman wrote: My friend had a similar sentiment a couple days ago after tearing his way through plat with velkoz. I think I've played maybe a dozen games as Vel'Koz (most of said games on the ARAM map, so take that for what you will) but I feel like his build path in SR should be Morellos/Athenes > Ludens > Void > Rabadons > Zhonyas with Magic Pen boots. Just try to get blue before any major objective and siege the ever living shit out of the enemy team while your front line just sits there and laughs at the enemy team. I mean, his wave clear is pretty decent if you max W first. If you go Q first you just have to use it for harass and last hitting more than anything else. The E is pretty useless in lane, really only useful if you're trying to burst your laner down with a W-E-R combo. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On June 03 2015 16:00 Kinie wrote: I think I've played maybe a dozen games as Vel'Koz (most of said games on the ARAM map, so take that for what you will) but I feel like his build path in SR should be Morellos/Athenes > Ludens > Void > Rabadons > Zhonyas with Magic Pen boots. Just try to get blue before any major objective and siege the ever living shit out of the enemy team while your front line just sits there and laughs at the enemy team. I mean, his wave clear is pretty decent if you max W first. If you go Q first you just have to use it for harass and last hitting more than anything else. The E is pretty useless in lane, really only useful if you're trying to burst your laner down with a W-E-R combo. I prefer Liandry's in my Vel'Koz builds. Gotta get Max Pen I think. Luden's is great on him that's for sure, but pairing that with Zhonya's and Rabadon's is too much AP imo. Zhonya's is situational. Twin Shadows is actually good on him too. More CDR and a decent AP chunk. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
I haven't played him since Luden's came out though, now that I think of it :l but if you're just gonna poke with him, you'd be better off being Ziggs or Kog or Xerath. Need to make use of the quick damage of full combo (hence max pen) or the followup potential in a teamfight. His ult is gamechanging, hence why he's actually slightly more popular as supp. I think I'd definitely get Luden's after the guise, then sell the guise late-late game for a Zhonya's or just finish it depending on situation. He makes shit use of the burn, tbh; you just want the pen midgame to fuck shit up. I think max CDR is a bit of a money sink given how much more damage on his combo and ult max pen/Luden's/Dcap would be. Can't stress enough how crucial his ult is. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Katarina and Akali beat the shit out of him too because their dashes jump them behind him so it completely dodges his ult. That's my understanding, at least. Velkoz is actually a really strong AP Support IMO, but nobody wants AP Supports atm. | ||
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