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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Poll: What would you like as a format for League of Legends?FUCK LCS, gimme international only! (15) 75% Please keep NA on an island with LCS. (5) 25% 20 total votes Your vote: What would you like as a format for League of Legends? (Vote): Please keep NA on an island with LCS.
(Vote): FUCK LCS, gimme international only!
ps Or propose your own way of doing things because you know better than our Riot overlords.
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Either the Dota/CS:GO circuit or old OGN circuit without the international competition restrictions. The poll options seem like really limited view of things.
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International competition is fine but should be kept limited imo (basically exactly like they're doing now). Otherwise you end up with the SC2 situation where people like MC just come and take all your money. While that's probably good for the skilllevel it's bad for most of the fanbase. Making the circuit too cutthroat is most likely bad for viewer numbers.
In the end I don't think it matters. If anything, Riot's gonna add more 'local' leagues because as far as I can see they're basing their format on real-life sports.
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Actually think the current system is perfect. Hope it stays similar or the same.
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The problem with the system is that its caused so many of the good players on perhaps not great teams of the S3+ era to get very little international competition. Kakao is, I guess the best example: 2nd best team in Korea for 2 seasons, never faced international competition. MSI was fun, but I would have liked to see teams 2, 3, 4 get in on some action as well. I would have liked, if the week after MSI, they had a Battle of the Atlantic type event, and given TSM/Fnatic that week off, or maybe its even a prelude to MSI to increase the NA/EU trashtalk.
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KaKAO was on Samsung in S4?
I think it's good that there's regional tournaments, but I'd prefer it worked like old Champions did. The League format is just really uninteresting to me because the games mean nothing anyway. Maybe there aren't enough teams for it though. The amount of international events we get isn't too bad, but the scale and format of them is. IEM just doesn't really count and MSI was also a bit lacking.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 26 2015 08:18 Ansibled wrote:
KaKAO was on Samsung in S4?
I think it's good that there's regional tournaments, but I'd prefer it worked like old Champions did. The League format is just really uninteresting to me because the games mean nothing anyway. Maybe there aren't enough teams for it though. The amount of international events we get isn't too bad, but the scale and format of them is. IEM just doesn't really count and MSI was also a bit lacking.
Problem is that Riot clearly say that World Championship is quintessential for whole season, so casual IEMs and those mid-season tournaments are pretty much everything we can get in current conditions.
I wonder, will they try to enforce full American-style league system at some point with 2 conferences or not.
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United States47024 Posts
On May 26 2015 08:18 Ansibled wrote:
The amount of international events we get isn't too bad, but the scale and format of them is. IEM just doesn't really count and MSI was also a bit lacking.
This.
A small number of international tournaments is fine if the weight and number of participating teams lead you to feel that it's meaningful. One team per region (or in the case of IEM, a region basically sending just it's 8th best team) doesn't lead to these events feeling as serious as they should.
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On May 26 2015 08:18 Ansibled wrote:
KaKAO was on Samsung in S4?
I think it's good that there's regional tournaments, but I'd prefer it worked like old Champions did. The League format is just really uninteresting to me because the games mean nothing anyway. Maybe there aren't enough teams for it though. The amount of international events we get isn't too bad, but the scale and format of them is. IEM just doesn't really count and MSI was also a bit lacking.
S3 Summer, S4 Winter. I guess the split/season or whatever terminology messed me up.
If IEM, MSI, and Worlds all had 3 teams from each region I would also be much more satisfied, but I'd also like the LCS format reformed if we are going to keep the 3 internationals + regions format.
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It's going to get more interesting when the sub-regions develop. Do you really think Brazil or Turkey's going to be satisfied playing second-fiddle to everybody else after investing so heavily into their esports program? I'd be really surprised if they weren't given worlds seeds in '16 or '17, instead of having to scrabble through the IWC race for them.
That either requires a rather large Worlds expansion, or for the current premier circuits to lose seeds to compensate. And I doubt the latter's going to happen.
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United States47024 Posts
On May 26 2015 09:25 Obscurica wrote:
It's going to get more interesting when the sub-regions develop. Do you really think Brazil or Turkey's going to be satisfied playing second-fiddle to everybody else after investing so heavily into their esports program? I'd be really surprised if they weren't given worlds seeds in '16 or '17, instead of having to scrabble through the IWC race for them.
As we should all by now, regions with strong teams and players grow stronger through competition within, and regions with weak teams stay weak because potentially good teams don't get the strong competition necessary to really grow.
It's going to depend on how the rules around foreign imports and cross-region competitions changes because the local player pool/competition simply won't be as competitive as a major region simply due to having less players and less teams--unless Riot allows them to more aggressively import talent or they get to participate in more meaningful international competitions, that's not a problem throwing more money at it will solve.
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On May 26 2015 09:34 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 09:25 Obscurica wrote:
It's going to get more interesting when the sub-regions develop. Do you really think Brazil or Turkey's going to be satisfied playing second-fiddle to everybody else after investing so heavily into their esports program? I'd be really surprised if they weren't given worlds seeds in '16 or '17, instead of having to scrabble through the IWC race for them.
As we should all by now, regions with strong teams and players grow stronger through competition within, and regions with weak teams stay weak because potentially good teams don't get the strong competition necessary to really grow. It's going to depend on how the rules around foreign imports and cross-region competitions changes because the local player pool/competition simply won't be as competitive as a major region simply due to having less players and less teams--unless Riot allows them to more aggressively import talent or they get to participate in more meaningful international competitions, that's not a problem throwing more money at it will solve.
Brazilian recognition would, at the very least, finally give NA that tiny bit more parity with the Asian regions. >_> LMS has a VERY small pool of potential players, one exacerbated by the widespread bans on top players due to badly regulated eloboosting. But it's managed to hang in there thanks to the scrim partnerships with LPL and LCK teams. They import Korean talent too, but it's not as if they can afford the best of the best.
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On May 26 2015 09:25 Obscurica wrote:
It's going to get more interesting when the sub-regions develop. Do you really think Brazil or Turkey's going to be satisfied playing second-fiddle to everybody else after investing so heavily into their esports program? I'd be really surprised if they weren't given worlds seeds in '16 or '17, instead of having to scrabble through the IWC race for them.
That either requires a rather large Worlds expansion, or for the current premier circuits to lose seeds to compensate. And I doubt the latter's going to happen.
But I don't want one bigger tournament, I want more smaller tournaments 
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I like the CSGO major system.
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If worlds/MSI are the equivalent of UEFA's Champions League, what Riot really need to do is create an equivalent of the Europa league. I wanna see Naijin butting heads with M3 and Gravity, etc.
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On May 26 2015 09:36 krndandaman wrote:
uh how should hec play the vlad matchup with no jungle help?
i tried to go aggressive early when he's at his weakest but he was able to sustain it off pretty easily. especially with cloth 5 start.
ghost ignite and be a man at level 1
honestly, Q mana from 20-->32 guts hecarim IMO. changes a lot of his bad matchups into unwinnable ones.
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On May 26 2015 11:44 ItsFunToLose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 09:36 krndandaman wrote:
uh how should hec play the vlad matchup with no jungle help?
i tried to go aggressive early when he's at his weakest but he was able to sustain it off pretty easily. especially with cloth 5 start. ghost ignite and be a man at level 1 honestly, Q mana from 20-->32 guts hecarim IMO. changes a lot of his bad matchups into unwinnable ones.
i take ignite/tp start boots 4 hp pots take raptors at level 1 so u can afford to buy mana pots that are needed to q spam and bully lane. you need to be in his face first few levels forcing a back or getting a kill
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I actually like the no mod /r/lol. The users are now more aggressively digesting content instead of just clicking through the front page.
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Personally I think there should be more international events, and not just MSI/Worlds as the only ones Riot runs/organizes. I know OGN used to have a Winter season, run after Worlds and before Spring Splits started up. Maybe something that's a mix of Winter and All-Stars, where the top team from each region goes out for a 3 or 4 day event for a main competition, while fans vote for the top 2-3 players in each region to go along (if they aren't part of the top team) and make up an international style team, and see if raw skill/mechanics can overcome language barriers for a fun/amusing time.
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