EPT[Patch 5.9] Ashe Rework General Discussion - Page 23
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Kaethis
Netherlands112 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On May 19 2015 05:37 SHr3DD3r wrote: opgg shows build paths, runes/masteries and skill order. lmao. wait what? It doesn't list recent pro games by Champion though does it? edit: cool thanks, I didn't know this. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Expanded Mind Swapped places in Utility Tree with Meditation Changed from "+2% increased maximum Mana to "+25/50/75 Mana" Meditation Swapped places in Utility Tree with Expanded Mind Changed from "+1 Mana Regen per 5 seconds" to "Restore 0.5/1.0/1.5% of missing Mana every 5 seconds" | ||
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Nohiko
71 Posts
On May 19 2015 05:04 Ansibled wrote: It doesn't show you the build path though, just final items. I don't think OPGG does mastery/runes/skill order either in history. I thought the same for a while, you have to hit the little magnifying glass on the right to see all of that. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KoCEn5P.png?2) | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 19 2015 05:55 Alaric wrote: Well that one sucks balls pretty hard, I liked my 3 mp5 in match-ups where I didn't need the defense. 75 mana is nothing unless you're Irelia zzz. The intention is probably to take away some free mana regen from champions who can't afford to go down into utility, give a slight buff to supports, and maybe encourage some AP champions to split their focus between Offense and Utility. But 1.5% missing mana per 5, while stronger than 3mp5 in most circumstances, is not all that amazing if it's the primary reason you're going 12 points into utility. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On May 19 2015 05:53 Seuss wrote: Hmm... PBE has an interesting mastery change. The MP5 at the top of Utility has been swapped with the mana in the fourth tier. That is a big change. 75 Mana is more than 6% max mana until you have 1250 mana and .5% missing mana/5 seconds is 1 MP/5 per 200 missing mana. So if you're Irelia you break even at level 1 and you're twice as far ahead once you have sheen and/or a few levels | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
PBE *Expanded Mind Swapped places in Utility Tree with Meditation Changed from "+2% increased maximum Mana to "+25/50/75 Mana" that seems like a huge change, opinions hows its going to influence midlane? /edit well im too late with the post nvm  | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 19 2015 07:40 AlterKot wrote: Alright guys let's talk Corki vs Ziggs. I got beat up in that matchup and it's been haunting me ever since and I'm wondering how to play it next time. Basically I'm almost 100% sure I should start boots+pots instead of Doran's for obvious reasons. I wonder what item I should get after first buy though. Phage for some hp and easier dodging while csing? Sorcs so that rockets actually deal damage and ultimate bomb dodging? Or just sheen so that I can get lane dominance by all-in trades/threathening all-in trades? Any ideas? Could try flask start, or a flask in first back? | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 19 2015 07:42 wei2coolman wrote: Could try flask start, or a flask in first back? Should start flask into phage. There is no point of buying flask in first back. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35144 Posts
On May 19 2015 07:47 Ansibled wrote: I haven't seen an Ashe be useful outside of lane yet. Their have I, but that's just because I was playing Jarvan and caving her face it. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
3 MP5 beats 75 mana after 125 seconds. You're almost always in lane longer than that. And since an AP damage dealer can't justify sacrificing 3% bonus damage to go for the missing mana mastery, its just a nerf. Perhaps a buff to mana hungry supports though? I know on Lux it'd do a lot to push her towards 21/9 every game. Speaking of Lux, star guardian lux is Riots cruel joke at me since I can't play now. I hates them precious. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
In other game-related news/questions, has anyone else tried going Cinderhulk + new BC into full tank on Vi? I've been messing around with it in some random games with friends and it seems pretty strong once you get over the whole build up into BC. You get a bit of AD, even more sticking power with the Phage passive, and something like 2600 HP once the BC is completed. Granted you are just a walking meatshield with no real stats just yet, but I've been sitting on like 3.5k once I get Randuins and 4k once I get a BV. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On May 19 2015 07:47 Ansibled wrote: I haven't seen an Ashe be useful outside of lane yet. That's funny because Ashe was always strong outside of her weak laneing phase (with the exception of lvl 1) which is way better now in her current state. Also player who played her on a regular basis had to cope with her mana issues since her frostshot burned so much of it and sometimes felt forced to stack a tear. With her new kit her mana is much more manageable. I wonder if she is gonna be picked up by good teams now. Thinking of her lane matchups against current top picks: She generally does well vs ranged supports but is risky vs hard engage ones like alistar or naut. Sivir probably has an edge on her because of her superiour waveclear and her spellshield works well vs R and W, her ult is similarly useful. Jinx is an equal matchup I think, she is gonna do more damage with her machine gun but Ashe has the easier harass tools and Jinx does not have tools to dodge Arrows. Urgot is hard to assess for me in general. Havent seen one really perform well or dominant enough to really despite being picked often. Lucian and Graves can eat some shots from her superiour range but both still outtrade her in 1on1 situations. I think these are matchups which are more dependand on the supports and how both sides engage/disengage and if Ashe has enough opportunities to poke them while dodgeing attacks. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
In other words, mobility creep on everything else has led everyone to be bad about their positioning during teamfights and are punished much more easily on a champion like Ashe throughout the mid-late game. | ||
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