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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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RaphaelSanzio
United States150 Posts
After thinking about it some more I realized that all of the times these type of things have happened is when none of the players in the game are streaming. If any of the players are streaming it's like everyone is perfectly behaved. Kind of makes me wonder how much of a facade some players/teams put on in order to boost their PR. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:19 RaphaelSanzio wrote: So I just got trolled by a certain support player that plays for TSM because I took support even though I was higher pick than him. It's not the first time I've seen something like this happen to me or other players. After thinking about it some more I realized that all of the times these type of things have happened is when none of the players in the game are streaming. If any of the players are streaming it's like everyone is perfectly behaved. Kind of makes me wonder how much of a facade some players/teams put on in order to boost their PR. dont treat progamers as unique people, they are once a troller like us too. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:19 RaphaelSanzio wrote: So I just got trolled by a certain support player that plays for TSM because I took support even though I was higher pick than him. It's not the first time I've seen something like this happen to me or other players. After thinking about it some more I realized that all of the times these type of things have happened is when none of the players in the game are streaming. If any of the players are streaming it's like everyone is perfectly behaved. Kind of makes me wonder how much of a facade some players/teams put on in order to boost their PR. lmao, you make it sound as if the universe wronged you here. not saying, what he did wasn't a dick move, but aren't you also screwing over your teammates winrate by not giving the supposedly the best player on your team the role that they're the best at? | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
Then again, if you're not a champ that can utilize liandry's effectively like LeBlanc or Kat or someone, don't even build it. You're better off with your regular straight damage build. Liandry's could be good situationally on Lissandra I guess. She has the built in slow, but rather medium - low range. I still think it would be better to just try and go even in lane, build straight damage, and burst the backline with her. Then just pray your tanks/adc can peel/dps the enemy tanks down. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4729 Posts
So imo what you need to do is get relatively tanky yourself, and get alot of aoe slow dot mpen, not alot of ap per se. If you can get some form of sustain even better (maybe resurgence of WOTA may happen idk) Anivia/Cassio/Azir fill this role quite well imo. It would be fun if Malza, Zyra and maybe Vel'Koz saw some play with the current state league is in. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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AlreadyHere
Canada26 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
Let's say you get ahead in the beginning, do you just build tank like nothing happened? or do you get a damage item to try to snowball the game harder? If you really want an offensive item because you are ahead, what would you pick? liandries? luden echo? i have no clue what ap itemization is viable to get from the jungle assuming you are a bit ahead. when i say ahead, i don't mean the point where you are massively ahead and can buy anything and still win, i mean those games where you have let's say a good countergank at level 4, got the 2 kills and set their lane and jungle behind enough to have control over a big portion of the map. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4729 Posts
On April 17 2015 15:57 SagaZ wrote: Question when you are playing on of those massive tank jungler that tend towards ap damage like gragas and sejuani. Let's say you get ahead in the beginning, do you just build tank like nothing happened? or do you get a damage item to try to snowball the game harder? If you really want an offensive item because you are ahead, what would you pick? liandries? luden echo? i have no clue what ap itemization is viable to get from the jungle assuming you are a bit ahead. when i say ahead, i don't mean the point where you are massively ahead and can buy anything and still win, i mean those games where you have let's say a good countergank at level 4, got the 2 kills and set their lane and jungle behind enough to have control over a big portion of the map. On Sejuani: Rylais, for the bigger slow. And on a more serious note: I might buy Abyssal Scepter if they have 2 ap and your team can benefit from it, maybe Liandries for "tankshred", Banner Of Command if your team needs an aura and you got less siege, and finally, I wouldn't write off Twin Shadows either, one of the most overlooked items next to Zeke's Herald and Rageblade. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:39 wei2coolman wrote: lmao, you make it sound as if the universe wronged you here. not saying, what he did wasn't a dick move, but aren't you also screwing over your teammates winrate by not giving the supposedly the best player on your team the role that they're the best at? On April 17 2015 15:46 AlreadyHere wrote: If u are taking support from lustboy you are hurting your team more than he did. This is not a real argument. If you have firstpick you should play what you want to play. You have absolutely no obligation to anyone who might in theory be better at your role than you are, especially in challenger. | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On April 17 2015 16:41 Osmoses wrote: This is not a real argument. If you have firstpick you should play what you want to play. You have absolutely no obligation to anyone who might in theory be better at your role than you are, especially in challenger. This. Not everything is about maximising the teams chance to win. You have the right to play what you enjoy most if you are higher pick. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 17 2015 14:54 Sonnington wrote: It's amazing what those 40 base damage plants can do with just a liandry's and one other item to juice up the damage. 23 + (6.5 × Zyra's level) (+ 20% AP) By level 10 you're already over 100 damage per plant (so 150 if both attack), with 0.8 AS (1.2 if your ult touched them). Zyra's plants' dps is bonkers, even without Liandry's you'd wreck people. A mage is general is a bad fit vs a tank as the game progresses because popular tanks are the ones with decent base damage (see Sion, Sejuani) so when they go full tank they become increasingly harder for you to kill while they still retain some ability to do the reverse. Lissandra, with her low range and nerfed Q damage is susceptible to this despite decent sustained damage. Burst mages, especially ult-reliant ones are super susceptible to tanks (RIP Viktor). Ryze used to be decent against tanks, dunno now (the ones I faced weren't an issue after Locket/Mercs/another MR item/component), Cassiopeia and Azir plow through them once they reach their spikes, not sure about Karthus. Diana has good sustained damage if she can afford to stay and auto them during a fight. Xerath but that's because his damage is really high. Vlad if he survives the midgame because no matter how high their base damage are it'll never be enough to scratch him, and he's manaless with basically no cooldowns at that point. If you go with Urgot mid, a combination of his E, BC (applied super fast since E ticks physical damage) and LW removes a lot of a tank's armour (it shreds about half and with LW Urgot himself ignores around 2/3rd of their armour). | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
Which brings me to my question, how do you carry as Garen? I always have like 10+ kills but then just lose. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 17 2015 15:57 SagaZ wrote: Question when you are playing on of those massive tank jungler that tend towards ap damage like gragas and sejuani. Let's say you get ahead in the beginning, do you just build tank like nothing happened? or do you get a damage item to try to snowball the game harder? If you really want an offensive item because you are ahead, what would you pick? liandries? luden echo? i have no clue what ap itemization is viable to get from the jungle assuming you are a bit ahead. when i say ahead, i don't mean the point where you are massively ahead and can buy anything and still win, i mean those games where you have let's say a good countergank at level 4, got the 2 kills and set their lane and jungle behind enough to have control over a big portion of the map. You just get tanky and 1v5.Unless the enemy team has a lot of sustain your base+cinderhulk does enough dmg. On April 17 2015 14:19 RaphaelSanzio wrote: So I just got trolled by a certain support player that plays for TSM because I took support even though I was higher pick than him. It's not the first time I've seen something like this happen to me or other players. After thinking about it some more I realized that all of the times these type of things have happened is when none of the players in the game are streaming. If any of the players are streaming it's like everyone is perfectly behaved. Kind of makes me wonder how much of a facade some players/teams put on in order to boost their PR. And this surprises you?I thought you have been playing for a while lol. | ||
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kongoline
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
9/21 masteries. When the enemy team has both crits (ie. not Ezreal, Graves or Corki) and large amounts of magic damage, I go 4-26 or something on Nautilus to get the advanced masteries of both armour and MR, because he doesn't really care about 4 more AD for his speed. Turns out I miss a ton of cs when I try that as Maokai top by 5 HP or less (I must be much better at eyeballing than I thought) so bleh, won't do it there, but I guess it won't hurt any of these 3 in the jungle. I still buy stalker's blade out of habit, Gragas seems mostly fine but I should probably rely on Trailblazer for Amumu and Sejuani. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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