This was posted in the TSM thread, but I really wanna talk about it...
Does Thorin not pay for heat? Everytime I see these videos he is wearing a full snow jacket and scarf. Is England (is he there??) that cold?? Am I just exaggerating!? I guess I wear a hoodie and blanket at my computer.. but this is Maine! For real. How fucking cold is it? Is it a fashion statement??? I am just so perplexed.
I disagree that WE didn't crush GE. WE out picked them and out played them. They exploited GE's weak early game and penchant for playing mid game champions by playing late scaling champions and winning the early game anyway. WE lost one really close game and then styled on GE. Maybe they were just the right team at the right time, and GE is only good because Korea doesn't know how to pick AD's other than Corki.
They tried the same thing against TSM, because TSM also has had a historically weakish early game. Its why the bans in WE/GE game were similar to the bans in the WE/TSM game. They wanted to take away the lategame Lulu and Viktor, champions which can stall until they're hilarious. But TSM did not fall into the korean trap of having mid game spike champions all throughout their roster. And TSM identified and exploited WE's weaknesses.
His argument seems to be pretty circular: WE is bad because WE lost to TSM and the other teams are bad because WE beat them so TSM's wins over them don't mean much... and GE was just a fluke because it had to be. Nah.
Then he makes this really weird claim that it would have been better for the "TSM is good" argument if WE stomped them in the first game? Like what? I mean what? So you're saying that WE played out of their minds the entire series except for the first game against TSM and the last three games against TSM? Come on.
He seems really really intent on ignoring the alternate hypothesis of "Korean teams just suck now" or "TSM is actually decent" and is making really bad, contradictory assumptions; assumptions like "China is a harder region".
Like, if WE comes to IEM and beats everyone you maybe get to claim that China is a harder region. But you don't get to claim that Korea and Europe are good because they all got trashed too. And you don't get to make the arguments, at the same time, that Korea is the strongest region, and that other regions are weaker than China because they lost to WE. TSM beat them and beat the teams that beat them. So shouldn't that mean that NA is a harder region than Korea if it means China is? Well not in Thorin's head.
Then there is the "Just watch NALCS its shit but GE tigers are super amazing" and well. Is he watching Korean LCS. GE tigers win like half their games because the other teams just fucking throw super super hard. Not like "oh that was a big mistake" but like "well that gold soloqueue shit just lost you the game son".
Then he goes on to be like "well if TSM beat all the Korean teams in a best of 5 i might consider them a top 10 team" and by them i am not really paying attention because its a lot of faff about nothing at this point.
We will find out if WE is legit if they perform well in China at the end of this split with the new members. We will find out if Korea really is a shit as they look when the next tournament comes around. But until then, well #TSMWONNERED
I don't think he really shits on TSM tbh, He gives pretty fair view, he said he considers them top 5 after IEM (which is contradictory to your point that you think he ignores the idea that TSM is decent), but he felt that if TSM had won the tournament facing GE.T in finals that it would legitimize their placement even further.
anyways, I just hope this fucking teaches Koreans not to fucking send their players the day before a short tourney. If you watch the latest TSM episode, Regi was planning flights for TSM to arrive early to EU on week 6.
He backtracks that "top 5" statement to be "if they had bo 3rd CJ and BO 5 GE." And then backtracks it further.
You just can't do any kind of objective analysis which puts TSM below top 3. The only international tournament we have played this season they won, by standard ELO they've got to be around the top. And we'll you can say it's not a very confident evaluation but neither would it be a confident evaluation of GE won, because that is how MMR evaluations work. But if GE had won this tournament damned if they wouldn't be proclaimed "best there ever was and will ever be" by Thorin.
At the end of the day all the "best in the world" stuff comes down to "on this day at this tournament". But hemming and hawing over it doesn't change the fact that the TSM won, and the Koreans did not.
i don't know how you look at beating WE as confirmation of top 3 of the world... lol
Well sure, if you're on the retarded axiom of "we sucks except when they play teams other than TSM" or "results of the only international play we have doesn't matter"
TSM beat CJ, they beat the team that handily beat GE handily, they beat flash wolves (who also beat SK).
So yea you can hem and haw over "well that doesn't necessarily mean they're the best because of randomness" but the highest likelihood puts them at the top. It's more likely that WE is better than GE and its more likely that TSM is better than both than any other combination. So long as, well, you go by the thing that actually matters, which is winning games.
If "who wins" doesn't matter in the "who is better?" question then we can't really have a conversation on the same level. That is the conversation that Thorin had with himself for 30 minutes of blovation and it was just as dumb then as it will be the next time.
This was posted in the TSM thread, but I really wanna talk about it...
Does Thorin not pay for heat? Everytime I see these videos he is wearing a full snow jacket and scarf. Is England (is he there??) that cold?? Am I just exaggerating!? I guess I wear a hoodie and blanket at my computer.. but this is Maine! For real. How fucking cold is it? Is it a fashion statement??? I am just so perplexed.
I disagree that WE didn't crush GE. WE out picked them and out played them. They exploited GE's weak early game and penchant for playing mid game champions by playing late scaling champions and winning the early game anyway. WE lost one really close game and then styled on GE. Maybe they were just the right team at the right time, and GE is only good because Korea doesn't know how to pick AD's other than Corki.
They tried the same thing against TSM, because TSM also has had a historically weakish early game. Its why the bans in WE/GE game were similar to the bans in the WE/TSM game. They wanted to take away the lategame Lulu and Viktor, champions which can stall until they're hilarious. But TSM did not fall into the korean trap of having mid game spike champions all throughout their roster. And TSM identified and exploited WE's weaknesses.
His argument seems to be pretty circular: WE is bad because WE lost to TSM and the other teams are bad because WE beat them so TSM's wins over them don't mean much... and GE was just a fluke because it had to be. Nah.
Then he makes this really weird claim that it would have been better for the "TSM is good" argument if WE stomped them in the first game? Like what? I mean what? So you're saying that WE played out of their minds the entire series except for the first game against TSM and the last three games against TSM? Come on.
He seems really really intent on ignoring the alternate hypothesis of "Korean teams just suck now" or "TSM is actually decent" and is making really bad, contradictory assumptions; assumptions like "China is a harder region".
Like, if WE comes to IEM and beats everyone you maybe get to claim that China is a harder region. But you don't get to claim that Korea and Europe are good because they all got trashed too. And you don't get to make the arguments, at the same time, that Korea is the strongest region, and that other regions are weaker than China because they lost to WE. TSM beat them and beat the teams that beat them. So shouldn't that mean that NA is a harder region than Korea if it means China is? Well not in Thorin's head.
Then there is the "Just watch NALCS its shit but GE tigers are super amazing" and well. Is he watching Korean LCS. GE tigers win like half their games because the other teams just fucking throw super super hard. Not like "oh that was a big mistake" but like "well that gold soloqueue shit just lost you the game son".
Then he goes on to be like "well if TSM beat all the Korean teams in a best of 5 i might consider them a top 10 team" and by them i am not really paying attention because its a lot of faff about nothing at this point.
We will find out if WE is legit if they perform well in China at the end of this split with the new members. We will find out if Korea really is a shit as they look when the next tournament comes around. But until then, well #TSMWONNERED
I don't think he really shits on TSM tbh, He gives pretty fair view, he said he considers them top 5 after IEM (which is contradictory to your point that you think he ignores the idea that TSM is decent), but he felt that if TSM had won the tournament facing GE.T in finals that it would legitimize their placement even further.
anyways, I just hope this fucking teaches Koreans not to fucking send their players the day before a short tourney. If you watch the latest TSM episode, Regi was planning flights for TSM to arrive early to EU on week 6.
He backtracks that "top 5" statement to be "if they had bo 3rd CJ and BO 5 GE." And then backtracks it further.
You just can't do any kind of objective analysis which puts TSM below top 3. The only international tournament we have played this season they won, by standard ELO they've got to be around the top. And we'll you can say it's not a very confident evaluation but neither would it be a confident evaluation of GE won, because that is how MMR evaluations work. But if GE had won this tournament damned if they wouldn't be proclaimed "best there ever was and will ever be" by Thorin.
At the end of the day all the "best in the world" stuff comes down to "on this day at this tournament". But hemming and hawing over it doesn't change the fact that the TSM won, and the Koreans did not.
i don't know how you look at beating WE as confirmation of top 3 of the world... lol
Well sure, if you're on the retarded axiom of "we sucks except when they play teams other than TSM" or "results of the only international play we have doesn't matter"
TSM beat CJ, they beat the team that handily beat GE handily, they beat flash wolves (who also beat SK).
So yea you can hem and haw over "well that doesn't necessarily mean they're the best because of randomness" but the highest likelihood puts them at the top. It's more likely that WE is better than GE and its more likely that TSM is better than both than any other combination. So long as, well, you go by the thing that actually matters, which is winning games.
If "who wins" doesn't matter in the "who is better?" question then we can't really have a conversation on the same level. That is the conversation that Thorin had with himself for 30 minutes of blovation and it was just as dumb then as it will be the next time.
And there are 11 teams in LPL that are better than WE, your point?
Eh I think Fros is a decent analyst, marred by her bias ofc, but decent. I wish she'd explain deeper than surface level analysis though, as I am sure she is fully capable of. Also stop with the Snake hatetrain, their top 3 in China ffs.
I will give you this about the THooorin video, his analysis of the WE v. GE series does seem like that of someone who didn't watch the games, especially the way he repeatedly says that game 1 (GE's win) was the most convincing.
This was posted in the TSM thread, but I really wanna talk about it...
Does Thorin not pay for heat? Everytime I see these videos he is wearing a full snow jacket and scarf. Is England (is he there??) that cold?? Am I just exaggerating!? I guess I wear a hoodie and blanket at my computer.. but this is Maine! For real. How fucking cold is it? Is it a fashion statement??? I am just so perplexed.
I disagree that WE didn't crush GE. WE out picked them and out played them. They exploited GE's weak early game and penchant for playing mid game champions by playing late scaling champions and winning the early game anyway. WE lost one really close game and then styled on GE. Maybe they were just the right team at the right time, and GE is only good because Korea doesn't know how to pick AD's other than Corki.
They tried the same thing against TSM, because TSM also has had a historically weakish early game. Its why the bans in WE/GE game were similar to the bans in the WE/TSM game. They wanted to take away the lategame Lulu and Viktor, champions which can stall until they're hilarious. But TSM did not fall into the korean trap of having mid game spike champions all throughout their roster. And TSM identified and exploited WE's weaknesses.
His argument seems to be pretty circular: WE is bad because WE lost to TSM and the other teams are bad because WE beat them so TSM's wins over them don't mean much... and GE was just a fluke because it had to be. Nah.
Then he makes this really weird claim that it would have been better for the "TSM is good" argument if WE stomped them in the first game? Like what? I mean what? So you're saying that WE played out of their minds the entire series except for the first game against TSM and the last three games against TSM? Come on.
He seems really really intent on ignoring the alternate hypothesis of "Korean teams just suck now" or "TSM is actually decent" and is making really bad, contradictory assumptions; assumptions like "China is a harder region".
Like, if WE comes to IEM and beats everyone you maybe get to claim that China is a harder region. But you don't get to claim that Korea and Europe are good because they all got trashed too. And you don't get to make the arguments, at the same time, that Korea is the strongest region, and that other regions are weaker than China because they lost to WE. TSM beat them and beat the teams that beat them. So shouldn't that mean that NA is a harder region than Korea if it means China is? Well not in Thorin's head.
Then there is the "Just watch NALCS its shit but GE tigers are super amazing" and well. Is he watching Korean LCS. GE tigers win like half their games because the other teams just fucking throw super super hard. Not like "oh that was a big mistake" but like "well that gold soloqueue shit just lost you the game son".
Then he goes on to be like "well if TSM beat all the Korean teams in a best of 5 i might consider them a top 10 team" and by them i am not really paying attention because its a lot of faff about nothing at this point.
We will find out if WE is legit if they perform well in China at the end of this split with the new members. We will find out if Korea really is a shit as they look when the next tournament comes around. But until then, well #TSMWONNERED
I don't think he really shits on TSM tbh, He gives pretty fair view, he said he considers them top 5 after IEM (which is contradictory to your point that you think he ignores the idea that TSM is decent), but he felt that if TSM had won the tournament facing GE.T in finals that it would legitimize their placement even further.
anyways, I just hope this fucking teaches Koreans not to fucking send their players the day before a short tourney. If you watch the latest TSM episode, Regi was planning flights for TSM to arrive early to EU on week 6.
He backtracks that "top 5" statement to be "if they had bo 3rd CJ and BO 5 GE." And then backtracks it further.
You just can't do any kind of objective analysis which puts TSM below top 3. The only international tournament we have played this season they won, by standard ELO they've got to be around the top. And we'll you can say it's not a very confident evaluation but neither would it be a confident evaluation of GE won, because that is how MMR evaluations work. But if GE had won this tournament damned if they wouldn't be proclaimed "best there ever was and will ever be" by Thorin.
At the end of the day all the "best in the world" stuff comes down to "on this day at this tournament". But hemming and hawing over it doesn't change the fact that the TSM won, and the Koreans did not.
i don't know how you look at beating WE as confirmation of top 3 of the world... lol
Well sure, if you're on the retarded axiom of "we sucks except when they play teams other than TSM" or "results of the only international play we have doesn't matter"
TSM beat CJ, they beat the team that handily beat GE handily, they beat flash wolves (who also beat SK).
So yea you can hem and haw over "well that doesn't necessarily mean they're the best because of randomness" but the highest likelihood puts them at the top. It's more likely that WE is better than GE and its more likely that TSM is better than both than any other combination. So long as, well, you go by the thing that actually matters, which is winning games.
If "who wins" doesn't matter in the "who is better?" question then we can't really have a conversation on the same level. That is the conversation that Thorin had with himself for 30 minutes of blovation and it was just as dumb then as it will be the next time.
And there are 11 teams in LPL that are better than WE, your point?
My point is that TSM won and by MMR they are number two. And the other teams aren't up there because they didn't win and winning is what matters.
On March 20 2015 07:43 Slusher wrote: I will give you this about the THooorin video, his analysis of the WE v. GE series does seem like that of someone who didn't watch the games, especially the way he repeatedly says that game 1 (GE's win) was the most convincing.
the point of power rankings is to shift winning to an indicator but not the absolute truth. i.e. who would you take in a future game, not just who is better by record
lol I don't know what that gosu gamers chart is but Flashwolves #3??? I'll take all comers for cash bets vs. any other team in THoorin's top 10
This was posted in the TSM thread, but I really wanna talk about it...
Does Thorin not pay for heat? Everytime I see these videos he is wearing a full snow jacket and scarf. Is England (is he there??) that cold?? Am I just exaggerating!? I guess I wear a hoodie and blanket at my computer.. but this is Maine! For real. How fucking cold is it? Is it a fashion statement??? I am just so perplexed.
I disagree that WE didn't crush GE. WE out picked them and out played them. They exploited GE's weak early game and penchant for playing mid game champions by playing late scaling champions and winning the early game anyway. WE lost one really close game and then styled on GE. Maybe they were just the right team at the right time, and GE is only good because Korea doesn't know how to pick AD's other than Corki.
They tried the same thing against TSM, because TSM also has had a historically weakish early game. Its why the bans in WE/GE game were similar to the bans in the WE/TSM game. They wanted to take away the lategame Lulu and Viktor, champions which can stall until they're hilarious. But TSM did not fall into the korean trap of having mid game spike champions all throughout their roster. And TSM identified and exploited WE's weaknesses.
His argument seems to be pretty circular: WE is bad because WE lost to TSM and the other teams are bad because WE beat them so TSM's wins over them don't mean much... and GE was just a fluke because it had to be. Nah.
Then he makes this really weird claim that it would have been better for the "TSM is good" argument if WE stomped them in the first game? Like what? I mean what? So you're saying that WE played out of their minds the entire series except for the first game against TSM and the last three games against TSM? Come on.
He seems really really intent on ignoring the alternate hypothesis of "Korean teams just suck now" or "TSM is actually decent" and is making really bad, contradictory assumptions; assumptions like "China is a harder region".
Like, if WE comes to IEM and beats everyone you maybe get to claim that China is a harder region. But you don't get to claim that Korea and Europe are good because they all got trashed too. And you don't get to make the arguments, at the same time, that Korea is the strongest region, and that other regions are weaker than China because they lost to WE. TSM beat them and beat the teams that beat them. So shouldn't that mean that NA is a harder region than Korea if it means China is? Well not in Thorin's head.
Then there is the "Just watch NALCS its shit but GE tigers are super amazing" and well. Is he watching Korean LCS. GE tigers win like half their games because the other teams just fucking throw super super hard. Not like "oh that was a big mistake" but like "well that gold soloqueue shit just lost you the game son".
Then he goes on to be like "well if TSM beat all the Korean teams in a best of 5 i might consider them a top 10 team" and by them i am not really paying attention because its a lot of faff about nothing at this point.
We will find out if WE is legit if they perform well in China at the end of this split with the new members. We will find out if Korea really is a shit as they look when the next tournament comes around. But until then, well #TSMWONNERED
I don't think he really shits on TSM tbh, He gives pretty fair view, he said he considers them top 5 after IEM (which is contradictory to your point that you think he ignores the idea that TSM is decent), but he felt that if TSM had won the tournament facing GE.T in finals that it would legitimize their placement even further.
anyways, I just hope this fucking teaches Koreans not to fucking send their players the day before a short tourney. If you watch the latest TSM episode, Regi was planning flights for TSM to arrive early to EU on week 6.
He backtracks that "top 5" statement to be "if they had bo 3rd CJ and BO 5 GE." And then backtracks it further.
You just can't do any kind of objective analysis which puts TSM below top 3. The only international tournament we have played this season they won, by standard ELO they've got to be around the top. And we'll you can say it's not a very confident evaluation but neither would it be a confident evaluation of GE won, because that is how MMR evaluations work. But if GE had won this tournament damned if they wouldn't be proclaimed "best there ever was and will ever be" by Thorin.
At the end of the day all the "best in the world" stuff comes down to "on this day at this tournament". But hemming and hawing over it doesn't change the fact that the TSM won, and the Koreans did not.
i don't know how you look at beating WE as confirmation of top 3 of the world... lol
Well sure, if you're on the retarded axiom of "we sucks except when they play teams other than TSM" or "results of the only international play we have doesn't matter"
TSM beat CJ, they beat the team that handily beat GE handily, they beat flash wolves (who also beat SK).
So yea you can hem and haw over "well that doesn't necessarily mean they're the best because of randomness" but the highest likelihood puts them at the top. It's more likely that WE is better than GE and its more likely that TSM is better than both than any other combination. So long as, well, you go by the thing that actually matters, which is winning games.
If "who wins" doesn't matter in the "who is better?" question then we can't really have a conversation on the same level. That is the conversation that Thorin had with himself for 30 minutes of blovation and it was just as dumb then as it will be the next time.
And there are 11 teams in LPL that are better than WE, your point?
On March 20 2015 07:43 Slusher wrote: I will give you this about the THooorin video, his analysis of the WE v. GE series does seem like that of someone who didn't watch the games, especially the way he repeatedly says that game 1 (GE's win) was the most convincing.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
lol, by that ranking yfw is #3 in the world, and h2k is 5th. ROFL.
This was posted in the TSM thread, but I really wanna talk about it...
Does Thorin not pay for heat? Everytime I see these videos he is wearing a full snow jacket and scarf. Is England (is he there??) that cold?? Am I just exaggerating!? I guess I wear a hoodie and blanket at my computer.. but this is Maine! For real. How fucking cold is it? Is it a fashion statement??? I am just so perplexed.
I disagree that WE didn't crush GE. WE out picked them and out played them. They exploited GE's weak early game and penchant for playing mid game champions by playing late scaling champions and winning the early game anyway. WE lost one really close game and then styled on GE. Maybe they were just the right team at the right time, and GE is only good because Korea doesn't know how to pick AD's other than Corki.
They tried the same thing against TSM, because TSM also has had a historically weakish early game. Its why the bans in WE/GE game were similar to the bans in the WE/TSM game. They wanted to take away the lategame Lulu and Viktor, champions which can stall until they're hilarious. But TSM did not fall into the korean trap of having mid game spike champions all throughout their roster. And TSM identified and exploited WE's weaknesses.
His argument seems to be pretty circular: WE is bad because WE lost to TSM and the other teams are bad because WE beat them so TSM's wins over them don't mean much... and GE was just a fluke because it had to be. Nah.
Then he makes this really weird claim that it would have been better for the "TSM is good" argument if WE stomped them in the first game? Like what? I mean what? So you're saying that WE played out of their minds the entire series except for the first game against TSM and the last three games against TSM? Come on.
He seems really really intent on ignoring the alternate hypothesis of "Korean teams just suck now" or "TSM is actually decent" and is making really bad, contradictory assumptions; assumptions like "China is a harder region".
Like, if WE comes to IEM and beats everyone you maybe get to claim that China is a harder region. But you don't get to claim that Korea and Europe are good because they all got trashed too. And you don't get to make the arguments, at the same time, that Korea is the strongest region, and that other regions are weaker than China because they lost to WE. TSM beat them and beat the teams that beat them. So shouldn't that mean that NA is a harder region than Korea if it means China is? Well not in Thorin's head.
Then there is the "Just watch NALCS its shit but GE tigers are super amazing" and well. Is he watching Korean LCS. GE tigers win like half their games because the other teams just fucking throw super super hard. Not like "oh that was a big mistake" but like "well that gold soloqueue shit just lost you the game son".
Then he goes on to be like "well if TSM beat all the Korean teams in a best of 5 i might consider them a top 10 team" and by them i am not really paying attention because its a lot of faff about nothing at this point.
We will find out if WE is legit if they perform well in China at the end of this split with the new members. We will find out if Korea really is a shit as they look when the next tournament comes around. But until then, well #TSMWONNERED
I don't think he really shits on TSM tbh, He gives pretty fair view, he said he considers them top 5 after IEM (which is contradictory to your point that you think he ignores the idea that TSM is decent), but he felt that if TSM had won the tournament facing GE.T in finals that it would legitimize their placement even further.
anyways, I just hope this fucking teaches Koreans not to fucking send their players the day before a short tourney. If you watch the latest TSM episode, Regi was planning flights for TSM to arrive early to EU on week 6.
He backtracks that "top 5" statement to be "if they had bo 3rd CJ and BO 5 GE." And then backtracks it further.
You just can't do any kind of objective analysis which puts TSM below top 3. The only international tournament we have played this season they won, by standard ELO they've got to be around the top. And we'll you can say it's not a very confident evaluation but neither would it be a confident evaluation of GE won, because that is how MMR evaluations work. But if GE had won this tournament damned if they wouldn't be proclaimed "best there ever was and will ever be" by Thorin.
At the end of the day all the "best in the world" stuff comes down to "on this day at this tournament". But hemming and hawing over it doesn't change the fact that the TSM won, and the Koreans did not.
i don't know how you look at beating WE as confirmation of top 3 of the world... lol
Well sure, if you're on the retarded axiom of "we sucks except when they play teams other than TSM" or "results of the only international play we have doesn't matter"
TSM beat CJ, they beat the team that handily beat GE handily, they beat flash wolves (who also beat SK).
So yea you can hem and haw over "well that doesn't necessarily mean they're the best because of randomness" but the highest likelihood puts them at the top. It's more likely that WE is better than GE and its more likely that TSM is better than both than any other combination. So long as, well, you go by the thing that actually matters, which is winning games.
If "who wins" doesn't matter in the "who is better?" question then we can't really have a conversation on the same level. That is the conversation that Thorin had with himself for 30 minutes of blovation and it was just as dumb then as it will be the next time.
And there are 11 teams in LPL that are better than WE, your point?
Correction, there are 12 team in LPL that are better than WE was.
I wish there was a way for Snake to play GE before worlds (and to be honest I'm not even sure if Snake will qualify for worlds, because I think they mixed Korean/CN teams below them have a lot of room to grow.)
Snake is a stylistic nightmare for GE, and Thoorin's head might just explode while watching
On March 20 2015 07:55 Slusher wrote: I wish there was a way for Snake to play GE before worlds (and to be honest I'm not even sure if Snake will qualify for worlds, because I think they mixed Korean/CN teams below them have a lot of room to grow.)
Snake is a stylistic nightmare for GE, and Thoorin's head might just explode while watching
It's also cuz Snake is one of the few teams that can actually PICK away Juggermaw comp, and not just waste bans on it. Mid-level LPL teams are so volatile, I could see other teams uprooting Snake from one of the World's spot, but as of now Snake is still a distinct level higher than most of those LPL teams.
On March 20 2015 07:47 Slusher wrote: the point of power rankings is to shift winning to an indicator but not the absolute truth.
Sure, because nothing is an absolute truth. But winning as an indicator is better than any other indicator and all you have to say differently is "nuh uh because I said so"
Look, if GE had won the tournament would anyone have said anything but "they're the best"?
I don't think so. And with good reason, they would have just won the only international tournament of the year while being well on top of their regional division.
Well, TSM just won the only international tournament of the year while being well on top of their regional division.
On March 20 2015 08:11 Ansibled wrote: GE Tigers' region is the region which has been accepted as producing the best teams for like three years, there's a difference. .
China?
And yes one bo3 and bo5 indeed doesn't make those regions suck, that is why WE is not 3 and GE is not 10 or whatever.
To echo Ghalo is this reddit where we don't understand how MMR works?
On March 20 2015 08:11 Ansibled wrote: GE Tigers' region is the region which has been accepted as producing the best teams for like three years, there's a difference. .
China?
And yes one bo3 and bo5 indeed doesn't make those regions suck, that is why WE is not 3 and GE is not 10 or whatever.
To echo Ghalo is this reddit where we don't understand how MMR works?
Blindly trusting mmr, without large #'s of datapoints is fucking stupid. The IEM games had far more impact on ratings of those teams than they should have, especially considering there are still a large # of teams of which are still isolated in their region that haven't had a chance at international play.
Unless of course you really think YFW is #3 in the world right now.
EPT
