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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 08 2015 04:22 Letmelose wrote:
Why are we grouping NoFe and Expession together? Expession was a cut above MaKNooN and Shy at their absolute peaks if we just look at the laning phase, and while it is true that he had a weak mentality and a general ineptitude when it comes to looking at the game holistically, under the right circumstances we're basically talking about the Flame of season 2, and NoFe for all the carrying he did for MVP Blue was just another cerebral jungler with weak mechanics like CloudTemplar, and was just one of the top junglers in an era where Korea had yet to have truly superb players in that position. Expession was respected and feared throughout the entire Korean solo-que and professional scene in an era where numerous Korean teams was a lot more dependent on having a superstar top laner.
Because Expession never achieved anything in his life.
When your biggest achievement is 2-1'ing Gambit with Voidle in quarterfinals of Worlds, you know that there is something wrong, especially with all hype he was getting.
This way we seriously can have Cornsalad here.
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Can I just say, putting PoohManDu in the top tier of all-time Korean supports, with Mata and Madlife, is extremely silly? The highs SKT managed with him being higher than the highs KT ever reached with Mafa doesn't make Pooh better. SKT, at least theoretically, accomplishes everything with Mafa that they did with Pooh, in that alternate universe.
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On March 08 2015 03:22 thejuju wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 23:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:On March 07 2015 04:24 Fusilero wrote:I personally think score should be on the list and if it wasn't for the whole GE tigers best team by far kuro would but I'm biased as fuck towards kuro ~_~ On March 07 2015 03:30 AlterKot wrote:
Man I hope Looper finds a better team than M3, he's a contender for most underrated player of all time :/ I think kuro and score are more underrated than looper was on the whole. Mostly because even though kuro's 18-2 with viktor peeps still seem to blank out on him even though he's 1v5d the IM organization to relevance in LoL multiple times Kuro has only been a top player for like.... this split. He was below average every season before (and no, please don't use recent results to justify that he has always been good) when you consider the fact that the other mid laners were Dade, Pawn, Faker, Ggoong, and rising talent like Rookie and Coco who showed up WAY more than Kuro. Also lol.. when you have to put Nofe and Expession on this list that tells you the game isn't old enough for a list like this. When seven different teams win eight different tournaments with only six players ever getting two championships you kind of run out of players to put in a top 10 list. You can't just say they don't deserve to be on the list without putting someone else in. Besides NoFe super underrated zzz
Well, I trying to imply that I'd rather just not name someone than have to name Nofe/Expession. Probably would have made it a top 5 list.
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On March 08 2015 04:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 04:22 Letmelose wrote:
Why are we grouping NoFe and Expession together? Expession was a cut above MaKNooN and Shy at their absolute peaks if we just look at the laning phase, and while it is true that he had a weak mentality and a general ineptitude when it comes to looking at the game holistically, under the right circumstances we're basically talking about the Flame of season 2, and NoFe for all the carrying he did for MVP Blue was just another cerebral jungler with weak mechanics like CloudTemplar, and was just one of the top junglers in an era where Korea had yet to have truly superb players in that position. Expession was respected and feared throughout the entire Korean solo-que and professional scene in an era where numerous Korean teams was a lot more dependent on having a superstar top laner. Because Expession never achieved anything in his life. When your biggest achievement is 2-1'ing Gambit with Voidle in quarterfinals of Worlds, you know that there is something wrong, especially with all hype he was getting. This way we seriously can have Cornsalad here.
In season 3, Expession was merely a strong laner with terrible teleport usage, but in season 2, he was by far the most important player on a struggling team that wouldn't be even relevant as a professional team without him. Cornsalad, for all his talents, never carries games as consistently as Expession did for Najin Shield. Go watch his Battle Royal debut versus Shy, his games during the IPL5 qualifiers, his 1v9 game where he single handily drags his team past Psw Ares to get them into the OGN Champions, and his games during the Winter season and tell me with a straight face that anyone could have done more for his team. I dare you to name a single one.
Of course, as the game evolved past bullying your opponent with superior trading and farming, and concepts like 1v2, teleport usage, and wave manipulation got vastly more important, players like Impact was in some ways superior to Expession and did things for their team that Expession couldn't do. However, in season 2, Expession was the shit. And considering how Flame won next to nothing apart even in his glory days in Season 3, with a vastly superior crew, one wonders if people lament Flame because his team was competent enough to showcase his skills regularly, yet not enough to let him achieve true greatness. Plus, Expession never had the disgrace of being outperformed by the likes of Homme when he was at his absolute prime.
I'll put it this way, if Caomei, who was somehow mentioned in he article as being one of the greatest at his position in his era, played for Najin Shield, they wouldn't even have managed to appear on the OGN Champions, never mind getting decent results in it.
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Articles like this bring me back to this site regularly, in part because the writers are willing to state their opinions boldly, creating a myriad of discussion points for the comment thread.
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at the end of the day the one true god is forgetten.
never forgetti the PIE
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