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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On September 08 2015 04:06 Fusilero wrote:
From what I heard the story was after Amazing left TSM all of low/mid tier EU collectively flipped their shit and dropped their junglers to try to nab him. Then Amazing joined Origen after barely avoiding Move Your Mothers.
And blamed SHC XD for not taking him as well for Beelzehan.
In hindsight, our almost Worlds-finalist got pretty lucky.
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I never saw that tweet my bad, always thought he left on his own, my bad. And now it doesnt imply that cant come back to EU. I just can't see any team really needing him that much to be honest.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
I'm still holding hope to see all those EU prodigies in same league and next year it's finally possible if Santorin/k0u/Trashy return, Amin finally joins something and BetongJocke starts as well.
But considering that our Dane mids don't wanna return probs, EU never will be at 100% >:
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On September 08 2015 05:01 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
I'm still holding hope to see all those EU prodigies in same league and next year it's finally possible if Santorin/k0u/Trashy return, Amin finally joins something and BetongJocke starts as well.
But considering that our Dane mids don't wanna return probs, EU never will be at 100% >:
Let's be real, this is Europe. Even if all good players wanted to play in EU then 2 guys would get banned, 1 would get in contract hell, every top team except for Fnatic would insist on having at least 1 trash player so several players would only get spots on mid-lowtier teams and 1 team that actually has no bad players would fail because of internal drama.
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On September 08 2015 02:01 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 00:45 Redox wrote:On September 07 2015 23:23 739 wrote:
Freeze is the only good option. Bigger question is almost if Freeze wants UOL and not if UOL wants Freeze. Seems like he would have to decide pretty early while very good offers might come after worlds. Steelback is another realistic possibility. On September 07 2015 21:28 Coldbolt wrote:
There are going to be huge changes within the preseason as far as I can see. Nearly every team is looking for better players and we'll probably see many EU players move to NA whilst EU try to grab NA players but they'll not get anyway. CLG, TSM will make changes.
Where Trashy goes, it's touted he will go back to EU. Yeah like usual we will see roster changes on almost every single team. Big roster shuffling wil start only after worlds I guess. I think we'll see less roster shuffling than last season, at least in top EU teams. Fnatic has no reason, their line up is probably as good as it will get unless someone drops off hard. OG as well, a team built around Soaz/xPeke and the other three players are all beast talent. H2K might want to replace Loulex, and UoL are already holding tryouts for ADC. TL has no reason to change their roster, right? Neither does CLG. TiP might hold onto Gate, think he can become better. As for TSM, moaning about Dyrus, Santorin and Turtle has become a thing of memes, won't even bother discussing that.
Why is speculating about TSM replacing Dyrus preemptive or a meme when he's all but confirmed he's retiring
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On September 08 2015 07:54 bbc23 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2015 02:01 DarkCore wrote:On September 08 2015 00:45 Redox wrote:On September 07 2015 23:23 739 wrote:
Freeze is the only good option. Bigger question is almost if Freeze wants UOL and not if UOL wants Freeze. Seems like he would have to decide pretty early while very good offers might come after worlds. Steelback is another realistic possibility. On September 07 2015 21:28 Coldbolt wrote:
There are going to be huge changes within the preseason as far as I can see. Nearly every team is looking for better players and we'll probably see many EU players move to NA whilst EU try to grab NA players but they'll not get anyway. CLG, TSM will make changes.
Where Trashy goes, it's touted he will go back to EU. Yeah like usual we will see roster changes on almost every single team. Big roster shuffling wil start only after worlds I guess. I think we'll see less roster shuffling than last season, at least in top EU teams. Fnatic has no reason, their line up is probably as good as it will get unless someone drops off hard. OG as well, a team built around Soaz/xPeke and the other three players are all beast talent. H2K might want to replace Loulex, and UoL are already holding tryouts for ADC. TL has no reason to change their roster, right? Neither does CLG. TiP might hold onto Gate, think he can become better. As for TSM, moaning about Dyrus, Santorin and Turtle has become a thing of memes, won't even bother discussing that. Why is speculating about TSM replacing Dyrus preemptive or a meme when he's all but confirmed he's retiring
Dyrus is like Kiwikid. Has more lives than a cat and people want to pay him for some reason.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Riot aren't happy with just lowering Western and Korean competition, they must head into China too.
The main topic under discussion is the possibility that third party tournaments involving LPL teams in China, such as the National Electronic Sports Tournament and Demacia Cup, will not continue in 2016.
Lol Riot piss off.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
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On September 09 2015 04:30 Numy wrote:Riot aren't happy with just lowering Western and Korean competition, they must head into China too. Show nested quote +The main topic under discussion is the possibility that third party tournaments involving LPL teams in China, such as the National Electronic Sports Tournament and Demacia Cup, will not continue in 2016. Lol Riot piss off.
How did Riot lower Korean competition? By broadcasting their games in English?
Pretty sure it was Chinese money that lowered Korean competition.
Of course the claim of Riot lowering EU/NA level is just straight up laughable. Riot financing western teams is the only reason they are semi-relevant. Actually people should be lamenting the bias with which Riot is supporting western teams.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3k4omm/riot_games_in_talks_to_assume_control_of_lol/cuuwoil Magus on this - Don't quite get why he's acting like Riot have this vast amount of experience in event running when they only done like 4 international events?
@Redox - Riot lowed the competition by introducing a consistent league format while removing all outside competition. This has been really good on the players as now they have a easy consistent method of employment but has been terrible for the level of competition in the game. That and the lack of cross-regional play has all but destroyed the West's potential. I'd also argue the lack of cross-regional practice has aided in that but only a handful of teams to my knowledge used to do that in the west. Then you get the whole banning of players for what they do in solo Q which is a subject that obviously has varying viewpoints but at the end of the day can harm the competitive ability of the region.
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Ask any pro player what they believe about their level of play in s2 compared to now. Or how they compare the seriousness and level of practise.
Really how do you guy even come up with that idea that a consistent league format lowers level of play? I think that is some of the most ridiculous shit I have ever heard. Yet this opinion seems to be rather common after looking at Reddit. Only way I can explain it to myself is anti-Riot sentiments or extreme delusions about level of play in the west.
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It does? There's a reason teams like SKT can look rather lackluster while playing in a consistent league then come to the playoff finals and absolutely destroy. Playing a bunch of meaningless games doesn't really improve anything.
It stifles natural innovation while making teams not adept at series play. League play augmented with series play is really the ideal you want to strive for. Stuff like having the EPL along with FA cup, Carling Cup, UEFA League etc.
edit: Redox you like discarding opinions while never actually explaining your own. Mind doing that for once?
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Well Riot Magus has straight up lied before about details of changing to LCK in Korea so I don't really care about what he says now. We will see what happens.
I like how he only mentions Demacia Cup will be coming back but nothing else.
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Just one more thing before I go to bed. There's a reason Hai says they learnt and improved more in the one weekend it took to do the gauntlet than in the weeks/months of playing in LCS. There's also a reason many pros say they learn more in the weeks leading up to worlds when they can scrim different regions than the months in LCS.
It's fine though. You can live in a world where you can discard differing opinions as merely "anti-riot".
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On September 09 2015 08:07 Numy wrote:
It does? There's a reason teams like SKT can look rather lackluster while playing in a consistent league then come to the playoff finals and absolutely destroy. Playing a bunch of meaningless games doesn't really improve anything.
It stifles natural innovation while making teams not adept at series play. League play augmented with series play is really the ideal you want to strive for.
Erm isnt that exactly what we have? lol
And you thinking the league games are meaningless does not make them worse practise. From all we can see LCS players care a lot about winning them. They are often destroyed morally if they lose them. Teams sometimes go down the drain if they dont win the first "meaningless" games of the season, or go on extreme highs after winning which leads to streaks.
I think the only good argument for league play making players worse works exactly the other way around. It might be too much high pressure competition over too long of a time. Players can burn out before the actual climax of the season.
edit: Redox you like discarding opinions while never actually explaining your own. Mind doing that for once?
Well I already gave some reasoning but let me expand. Literally all big team sports use leage play. In football for example you can see how teams in general suck at the start of the season and then improve after league play for a few weeks. The term "Spielrhythmus" (play rhythm) is used here in Germany.
I also thought it is common sense that continuous and constant practise at whatever makes you improve.
Playing Asian teams 5 times a year or whatever would not make western teams suddenly gain the same level as the Asians. You get that only by playing on a daily (soloQ and scrim) and weekly basis (league like LCS) with your opponents. Of course a single western team would improve the most if they did this daily play with Korean teams for example and on Korean soloQ, in the Korean league etc. But this would not happen with open tournaments either. Well maybe one team could do it, but at some point this one team would fall off and meanwhile the rest of the region as a whole withers.
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I want to make clear that I am not in favor of Riot taking over LPL. Mainly because I believe that it will be quite the cultural clash. There is probably all kind of stuff going on that is at odds with Riot's ideas about competetive integrity and so on (just the idea of Riot enforcing poaching rules already makes me laugh). And I have a feeling the Chinese will not be happy about some westerners telling them what to do. This will only lead to all kinds of stupid drama.
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It would be better to me if regular season had bo2 or 3 and was spread out over the week like champions.
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Redditors tends to be a younger crowd, so I'd write off a lot of what's said there as people still in their rebellious teen phase, complaining for the sake of complaining.
Not learning much from months of play strikes me more as a lack of good coaches (...which we already know and lament). Playing live with some practical consequence on the line is always both experience and an opportunity to learn/teach. These squandered opportunities don't reflect well on the current support structures.
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I want to see Riot try and ban eloboosting in China, that would be enough popcorn for the year.
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EPT
