On December 26 2014 13:07 Ryuu314 wrote:
to be fair, pre-nerfs Elise was pretty ridiculous
to be fair, pre-nerfs Elise was pretty ridiculous
To be fair, it isn't the first time Riot went overboard.
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On December 26 2014 13:07 Ryuu314 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2014 12:32 Gahlo wrote: On December 26 2014 12:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: On December 26 2014 09:31 wei2coolman wrote: On December 26 2014 09:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: theorycraft that i can't try out until i'm back home from the holidays: what about building hybrid elise, something like triforce with sorc shoes and juggernaut. eve style? take advantage of ridiculous early game damage and turn into a bruiser stunbot for lategame? Let's put it this way. Haunting guise elise is still pretty bad unless you snowball really hard, and that hits earlier timing. so is there like no hope for a viable elise build these days? i just miss playing her but i don't want to feel useless with cumshot and nothing else Nope, welcome to Riot balancing. On Elise, you're either utility tanking or snowballing so you're allowed to do damage. to be fair, pre-nerfs Elise was pretty ridiculous To be fair, it isn't the first time Riot went overboard. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 26 2014 13:17 Gahlo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2014 13:07 Ryuu314 wrote: On December 26 2014 12:32 Gahlo wrote: On December 26 2014 12:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: On December 26 2014 09:31 wei2coolman wrote: On December 26 2014 09:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: theorycraft that i can't try out until i'm back home from the holidays: what about building hybrid elise, something like triforce with sorc shoes and juggernaut. eve style? take advantage of ridiculous early game damage and turn into a bruiser stunbot for lategame? Let's put it this way. Haunting guise elise is still pretty bad unless you snowball really hard, and that hits earlier timing. so is there like no hope for a viable elise build these days? i just miss playing her but i don't want to feel useless with cumshot and nothing else Nope, welcome to Riot balancing. On Elise, you're either utility tanking or snowballing so you're allowed to do damage. to be fair, pre-nerfs Elise was pretty ridiculous To be fair, it isn't the first time Riot went overboard. I'm not sure they did though. Elise is seeing quite a decent amount of success in competitive play. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On December 26 2014 14:41 Ryuu314 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2014 13:17 Gahlo wrote: On December 26 2014 13:07 Ryuu314 wrote: On December 26 2014 12:32 Gahlo wrote: On December 26 2014 12:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: On December 26 2014 09:31 wei2coolman wrote: On December 26 2014 09:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: theorycraft that i can't try out until i'm back home from the holidays: what about building hybrid elise, something like triforce with sorc shoes and juggernaut. eve style? take advantage of ridiculous early game damage and turn into a bruiser stunbot for lategame? Let's put it this way. Haunting guise elise is still pretty bad unless you snowball really hard, and that hits earlier timing. so is there like no hope for a viable elise build these days? i just miss playing her but i don't want to feel useless with cumshot and nothing else Nope, welcome to Riot balancing. On Elise, you're either utility tanking or snowballing so you're allowed to do damage. to be fair, pre-nerfs Elise was pretty ridiculous To be fair, it isn't the first time Riot went overboard. I'm not sure they did though. Elise is seeing quite a decent amount of success in competitive play. Yeah, her 1 decent build that got saved by Riot changing back the Quill Coat SotAG in Juggernaught. Guess what, it doesn't feel fun to walk around as a giant spider that is supposed to mess people up and... buys a bunch of supporty items. When a "high" base damage, low scaling champion avoids penetration items unless massively ahead, you know there's an issue. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Edit: They failed at that for 2 years straight. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I think that Elise is still best built tank, though I don't think she is very strong generally. She's the one champion that actually has bad lategame. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And Lissandra isn't even the worst match-up for her I think. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 26 2014 02:17 Slusher wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2014 00:49 Gahlo wrote: On December 26 2014 00:06 Sponkz wrote: No, man. Clicking your mouse 50 more times a minute than the average gamer, would surely grant you Challenger. EAPM is Effective APM, it weeds out pointless/useless actions. So, yes, if your EAPM is 50 higher than your opponent it probably will help you climb. Select showed everyone by bringing APM to dota! feel like unless youre playing meepo or any character with pets apm in dota/mobas doesnt really mean a whole lot. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On December 27 2014 05:10 arb wrote: Show nested quote + On December 26 2014 02:17 Slusher wrote: On December 26 2014 00:49 Gahlo wrote: On December 26 2014 00:06 Sponkz wrote: No, man. Clicking your mouse 50 more times a minute than the average gamer, would surely grant you Challenger. EAPM is Effective APM, it weeds out pointless/useless actions. So, yes, if your EAPM is 50 higher than your opponent it probably will help you climb. Select showed everyone by bringing APM to dota! feel like unless youre playing meepo or any character with pets apm in dota/mobas doesnt really mean a whole lot. Select's video where he talked about bringing apm to dota is dota's team siren video. My post was more or less a joke for people who follow dota | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I shouldn't say mostly but, it's a part of it, team builder is kinda scrub | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 27 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote: Surely I got adjusted already? I mean I played like 6 Cass games and 3 Ahri already. team builder has a completely separate MMR. so starting out is basically like having summoner level 1 MMR or playing ranked for the very first time | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 27 2014 15:04 Ryuu314 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 27 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote: Surely I got adjusted already? I mean I played like 6 Cass games and 3 Ahri already. team builder has a completely separate MMR. so starting out is basically like having summoner level 1 MMR or playing ranked for the very first time which tricks you into thinking your troll builds are viable because you rekt so hard with them ![]() | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
I already commented on it on another board, so I'M just copy-pasting it here: + Show Spoiler + I've finished the preview and I liked what I've read. There weren't any new things in it for me, but it's nice to know that I don't suck because of messing those ups. Helped me a bit to settle some of my inner debates about some warding locations as well, which alone obviously won't skyrocket me into master, but I can speak from experience that the little things do add up. I am, however not sure how helpful it is for example for a silver player. We've been through countless "help me, I'm bronze/silver, want to reach gold!" threads and having an awesome baron or dragon securing ward placement was the least of their issue. I know, it's just the preview, it surely touches on the basics, but even the way he phrased things, leaves some things hanging in the air for you, so a lower elo support might want to ask two or three following questions. For example, he mentions level 1 strength but does not explain when is your team stronger or weaker lvl 1 than your opponent. Personally, I like it, because I hate reading stuff I already know, but I'm fairly convinced that a lower elo Janna player might think his team is weaker lvl 1, because she only has a shield, failing to realize that her Q alone can win one. Reading through the titles, there are some stuff I'd like to read a challenger support's perspective on, but I'm not yet decided whether I want to spend money - though it's quite cheap - on it, or not. It's sad, but from mid plat onwards we are starving for people giving us supports valuable lessons. Sure, we do debate with each other, which gives us perspective, but it doesn't compare to the days Nhat Nguyen used to stream. First of all, he was challenger (or high d1, before challenger existed), so it made it easier to actually follow his advices, even if up until that point you thought the exact opposite on that particular matter. But even watching him play was like a new world for me. I'll never forget how he just started Q with Soraka and went rambo; it just showed you how this game is not won by pussies. I used to stay up until late night when he had an all-Sona or all-Janna day, but he played Blitz as well. I copied my first non-traditional support rune pages (aka not the standard gp/10) from him as well. Today, you can rarely see challenger supports stream, and even then it's fucking Blitzcrank or Thresh. Two champions where the most crucial part of gameplay is landing Qs, everything else is secondary. Also, laning is different with them than with utility supports. LastShadow has some vids where he is coaching some guys with Morg support, and it's cool, because he's kinda like me, no sugarcoating; if the Morg fucks up he straight out says that was fucking terrible, but that's it, and even those vids are a bit outdated, What do you think? | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Also the "double decker plan" for covering bot with 2 wards is wrong. The wards are okay against some junglers, but there is always an unseen gankpath via the dragon pit. Good junglers will abuse that. | ||
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