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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 26 2014 04:17 GMT
#1021
On December 26 2014 13:07 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 12:32 Gahlo wrote:
On December 26 2014 12:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On December 26 2014 09:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 26 2014 09:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
theorycraft that i can't try out until i'm back home from the holidays:

what about building hybrid elise, something like triforce with sorc shoes and juggernaut. eve style? take advantage of ridiculous early game damage and turn into a bruiser stunbot for lategame?

Let's put it this way. Haunting guise elise is still pretty bad unless you snowball really hard, and that hits earlier timing.


so is there like no hope for a viable elise build these days? i just miss playing her but i don't want to feel useless with cumshot and nothing else

Nope, welcome to Riot balancing. On Elise, you're either utility tanking or snowballing so you're allowed to do damage.

to be fair, pre-nerfs Elise was pretty ridiculous

To be fair, it isn't the first time Riot went overboard.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
December 26 2014 05:11 GMT
#1022
I just go the magus enchant and hope for the best. Works out okay for me since I play her a lot and people tend to underestimate the burst. And 20% CDR is pretty sweet as well.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 26 2014 05:18 GMT
#1023
I really like the new Cassiopeia. I can Q max again without feeling guilty and it's really effective.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 26 2014 05:41 GMT
#1024
On December 26 2014 13:17 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 13:07 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 26 2014 12:32 Gahlo wrote:
On December 26 2014 12:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On December 26 2014 09:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 26 2014 09:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
theorycraft that i can't try out until i'm back home from the holidays:

what about building hybrid elise, something like triforce with sorc shoes and juggernaut. eve style? take advantage of ridiculous early game damage and turn into a bruiser stunbot for lategame?

Let's put it this way. Haunting guise elise is still pretty bad unless you snowball really hard, and that hits earlier timing.


so is there like no hope for a viable elise build these days? i just miss playing her but i don't want to feel useless with cumshot and nothing else

Nope, welcome to Riot balancing. On Elise, you're either utility tanking or snowballing so you're allowed to do damage.

to be fair, pre-nerfs Elise was pretty ridiculous

To be fair, it isn't the first time Riot went overboard.

I'm not sure they did though. Elise is seeing quite a decent amount of success in competitive play.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 26 2014 05:55 GMT
#1025
On December 26 2014 14:41 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 13:17 Gahlo wrote:
On December 26 2014 13:07 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 26 2014 12:32 Gahlo wrote:
On December 26 2014 12:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On December 26 2014 09:31 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 26 2014 09:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
theorycraft that i can't try out until i'm back home from the holidays:

what about building hybrid elise, something like triforce with sorc shoes and juggernaut. eve style? take advantage of ridiculous early game damage and turn into a bruiser stunbot for lategame?

Let's put it this way. Haunting guise elise is still pretty bad unless you snowball really hard, and that hits earlier timing.


so is there like no hope for a viable elise build these days? i just miss playing her but i don't want to feel useless with cumshot and nothing else

Nope, welcome to Riot balancing. On Elise, you're either utility tanking or snowballing so you're allowed to do damage.

to be fair, pre-nerfs Elise was pretty ridiculous

To be fair, it isn't the first time Riot went overboard.

I'm not sure they did though. Elise is seeing quite a decent amount of success in competitive play.

Yeah, her 1 decent build that got saved by Riot changing back the Quill Coat SotAG in Juggernaught. Guess what, it doesn't feel fun to walk around as a giant spider that is supposed to mess people up and... buys a bunch of supporty items. When a "high" base damage, low scaling champion avoids penetration items unless massively ahead, you know there's an issue.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-26 06:36:18
December 26 2014 06:34 GMT
#1026
Yes...and the issue is that Elise is not capable of being balanced in the way you want Gahlo.

Edit: They failed at that for 2 years straight.
Freeeeeeedom
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 26 2014 07:37 GMT
#1027
Different people enjoy different things

I think that Elise is still best built tank, though I don't think she is very strong generally. She's the one champion that actually has bad lategame.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-26 07:44:11
December 26 2014 07:43 GMT
#1028
Maybe I'll have to go back to the good ol' midlane/top Elise days. The dream is real?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 26 2014 08:39 GMT
#1029
I played Elise top today vs. Jarvan, pretty sure he could have smoked me if he realized how efficient he was trading in the no item vs. no item stage.
Carrilord has arrived.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 26 2014 09:25 GMT
#1030
I played her mid a shit-ton when she was released but doubt she'd hold up anymore since the nerfs upon nerfs, still probably fun though
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 26 2014 12:06 GMT
#1031
As Lissandra I did 0K in lane versus a Diamond Elise, and that's because I kept messing up my combos (she had ignite, I think I had TP, and everytime I ulted her she Rappeled right after, and I still cast Q asap everytime just for her to barely dodge it, so she'd come back while it's on cd and I'd either trade kills, barely win, or she'd manage to escape) and she received more ganks. Otherwise we had similar damage past the first few levels and my harass had better range and was AoE. She'd mess me up if she hit long range cocoon, but unless it put me in kill range I could make up for it afterwards.

And Lissandra isn't even the worst match-up for her I think.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 26 2014 20:10 GMT
#1032
On December 26 2014 02:17 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 00:49 Gahlo wrote:
On December 26 2014 00:06 Sponkz wrote:
No, man. Clicking your mouse 50 more times a minute than the average gamer, would surely grant you Challenger.

EAPM is Effective APM, it weeds out pointless/useless actions. So, yes, if your EAPM is 50 higher than your opponent it probably will help you climb.


Select showed everyone by bringing APM to dota!

feel like unless youre playing meepo or any character with pets apm in dota/mobas doesnt really mean a whole lot.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 27 2014 00:24 GMT
#1033
On December 27 2014 05:10 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2014 02:17 Slusher wrote:
On December 26 2014 00:49 Gahlo wrote:
On December 26 2014 00:06 Sponkz wrote:
No, man. Clicking your mouse 50 more times a minute than the average gamer, would surely grant you Challenger.

EAPM is Effective APM, it weeds out pointless/useless actions. So, yes, if your EAPM is 50 higher than your opponent it probably will help you climb.


Select showed everyone by bringing APM to dota!

feel like unless youre playing meepo or any character with pets apm in dota/mobas doesnt really mean a whole lot.


Select's video where he talked about bringing apm to dota is dota's team siren video.

My post was more or less a joke for people who follow dota
Carrilord has arrived.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 27 2014 04:32 GMT
#1034
The players on Team Builder are so scrub that I can crush lane every single game as Ahri/Cassiopeia. But my skills with these two champions are so poor that I am not sure what to do in teamfights and straight up lose after getting 10-1.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-27 04:57:20
December 27 2014 04:56 GMT
#1035
it's mostly because of the adjustment, if you are new to a hero in team builder they literally give you mental patients to lane against

I shouldn't say mostly but, it's a part of it, team builder is kinda scrub
Carrilord has arrived.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 27 2014 05:00 GMT
#1036
Surely I got adjusted already? I mean I played like 6 Cass games and 3 Ahri already.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 27 2014 06:04 GMT
#1037
On December 27 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Surely I got adjusted already? I mean I played like 6 Cass games and 3 Ahri already.

team builder has a completely separate MMR. so starting out is basically like having summoner level 1 MMR or playing ranked for the very first time
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 27 2014 07:00 GMT
#1038
On December 27 2014 15:04 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Surely I got adjusted already? I mean I played like 6 Cass games and 3 Ahri already.

team builder has a completely separate MMR. so starting out is basically like having summoner level 1 MMR or playing ranked for the very first time


which tricks you into thinking your troll builds are viable because you rekt so hard with them
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
December 27 2014 09:00 GMT
#1039
Opinions?

I already commented on it on another board, so I'M just copy-pasting it here:
+ Show Spoiler +
I've finished the preview and I liked what I've read. There weren't any new things in it for me, but it's nice to know that I don't suck because of messing those ups. Helped me a bit to settle some of my inner debates about some warding locations as well, which alone obviously won't skyrocket me into master, but I can speak from experience that the little things do add up.
I am, however not sure how helpful it is for example for a silver player. We've been through countless "help me, I'm bronze/silver, want to reach gold!" threads and having an awesome baron or dragon securing ward placement was the least of their issue. I know, it's just the preview, it surely touches on the basics, but even the way he phrased things, leaves some things hanging in the air for you, so a lower elo support might want to ask two or three following questions. For example, he mentions level 1 strength but does not explain when is your team stronger or weaker lvl 1 than your opponent. Personally, I like it, because I hate reading stuff I already know, but I'm fairly convinced that a lower elo Janna player might think his team is weaker lvl 1, because she only has a shield, failing to realize that her Q alone can win one.

Reading through the titles, there are some stuff I'd like to read a challenger support's perspective on, but I'm not yet decided whether I want to spend money - though it's quite cheap - on it, or not. It's sad, but from mid plat onwards we are starving for people giving us supports valuable lessons. Sure, we do debate with each other, which gives us perspective, but it doesn't compare to the days Nhat Nguyen used to stream. First of all, he was challenger (or high d1, before challenger existed), so it made it easier to actually follow his advices, even if up until that point you thought the exact opposite on that particular matter. But even watching him play was like a new world for me. I'll never forget how he just started Q with Soraka and went rambo; it just showed you how this game is not won by pussies. I used to stay up until late night when he had an all-Sona or all-Janna day, but he played Blitz as well. I copied my first non-traditional support rune pages (aka not the standard gp/10) from him as well.
Today, you can rarely see challenger supports stream, and even then it's fucking Blitzcrank or Thresh. Two champions where the most crucial part of gameplay is landing Qs, everything else is secondary. Also, laning is different with them than with utility supports.
LastShadow has some vids where he is coaching some guys with Morg support, and it's cool, because he's kinda like me, no sugarcoating; if the Morg fucks up he straight out says that was fucking terrible, but that's it, and even those vids are a bit outdated,

What do you think?
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
December 27 2014 09:20 GMT
#1040
Nothing special. I doubt you get anything from it if you are diamond already. (or even plat probably)

Also the "double decker plan" for covering bot with 2 wards is wrong. The wards are okay against some junglers, but there is always an unseen gankpath via the dragon pit. Good junglers will abuse that.
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