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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On December 24 2014 17:00 Osmoses wrote: The baron and dragon changes arent strictly "jungle" and they're quite significant, as is the compression of level power. If anything, I'd like some changes to armor pen, but oh well. season 1 armor pen?! also make last whisper good again | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
IMO, Void staff and LW need to apply to bonus armour/MR only. Both should be situational items, not generic damage dealing items - "Ok that Mundo has built 200 MR, I need some penetration if I want to kill him". Penetration should in theory be only good against high resist targets. Void Staff should not make me better at blowing up a squishy target. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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sharky246
1197 Posts
Apparently riot doesn't want to split the community (maybe because it might make queue times much longer), but wc3 was doing quite well with 2 split servers. And i think it's safe to say lol has more users than wc3 during its prime or roughly equal. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 24 2014 17:43 TheHumanSensation wrote: The only change was that % comes before flat pen, yeah? I don't see too many people building both types of pen to capitalize on that anyway, so I'm not entirely sure why this is an issue. Wholly possible I'm missing something completely. Hmmm, BC+LW is pretty common, or Ghostblade + LW. Sorc shoes + void happens almost all the time, Rumble still goes Haunting+SorC+Void+Abyssal | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
10% AS and 10% crit, especially after IE bonus are huge multiplicative modifiers. That being said, I prefer still shiv almost every game, on every hero. Except Draven, but that's mostly for the ignore unit collusion. @below, that doesn't mean riot values the shiv passive at zero. what? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 25 2014 04:19 ItsFunToLose wrote: really? 10% crit, 10% attackspeed difference is negligible to you? up front burst vs higher sustained damage. 10% AS and 10% crit, especially after IE bonus are huge multiplicative modifiers. That being said, I prefer still shiv almost every game, on every hero. Except Draven, but that's mostly for the ignore unit collusion. And pros prefer it almost every game. So, no, it's not negligible, but shiv is clearly the preferred pick and PD is more expensive. With a worse build path. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On December 24 2014 18:25 JazzVortical wrote: Actually most damage dealers build both flat and %. Mages/AP frequently build both every game (Sorc Shoes plus Void Staff). AD assassins generally get both as well (Brutalizer+upgrades and LW). On December 25 2014 02:05 wei2coolman wrote: Hmmm, BC+LW is pretty common, or Ghostblade + LW. Sorc shoes + void happens almost all the time, Rumble still goes Haunting+SorC+Void+Abyssal My bad, I suppose I'm a bit behind the times on the whole Ghostblade on AD carries that aren't Twitch thing, but I guess I also undervalue the effectiveness of a single flat pen item alongside the %pen items. My comment meant to imply something like the rumble build, but I didn't really convey that at all. My thought process is as follows. The %pen items are both 35%, and the flat pen items are 10/15/20. Against targets with 50/100/150/200 resistances, someone with 35% and 15flat would be hitting a target with... Old system: 22.75 / 55.25 / 87.75 / 120.25 Current system: 17.5 / 50 / 82.5 / 115 This of course ignores masteries, runes, reductions and stats build into a champs kit, so it's pretty overly simplified, but the difference between the old system and current system is just a flat 5.25 resistance (35% of 15) at all points, which seems like less of a big deal than most people make it out to be? Champs have probably been "gutted" by losing less damage than this though, I suppose, and the effect is larger at small numbers which probably affects jungle clearing through masteries and such. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 25 2014 05:41 JonnyLaw wrote: At 6 items selling shiv for pd still common. It's a good item but the cost difference and build path aren't as appealing as a second buy. I think its more than that. Enemy tanks stack enough MR and gain enough HP by that time so that the Shiv proc is less useful in fights, and that the waveclear from the proc also is riskier and less useful at that time. Hardly an argument that PD is still a good item, just an argument that when ignoring gold cost and accounting for several other factors it can be slightly more optimal than Shiv. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
bf > avarice > ie > shiv means you get third item 600-800g sooner If you finish IE first and have 800g avarice is better than crit cloak. The price and build up are everything in the two items. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 25 2014 04:30 cLutZ wrote: And pros prefer it almost every game. So, no, it's not negligible, but shiv is clearly the preferred pick and PD is more expensive. With a worse build path. shiv is so strong at 2nd item, especially since pros prefer the upfront damage of shiv proc over the long term damage. But PD is the better pick up at ultra late game. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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