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On November 26 2014 08:39 Alaric wrote:
To the people playing ARAM here, what do you do/build in general when you receive Mordekaiser?

On November 26 2014 12:21 Gahlo wrote:

That's what happens when his argument gets blown out.

On November 26 2014 12:41 TheYango wrote:
I mean, he's wrong and he's right PX.

In theory you could make LoL a game where there's enough strategic room for every champion to perform multiple "tasks", but doing so would require a fundamental redesign of the game. 80% of the roster isn't compatible with that idea, and would either have to be buffed so hard at the one thing they do as to be better at them than Riot is comfortable with, or would have to be fundamentally redesigned.

Put simply, the answer to your question is "that's not what Riot wants LoL to be". Naturally, that's not a satisfying answer to anyone who thinks the game would be better that way, but at this point, you should be used to it, and rehashing the same argument all over again gets old.

On November 26 2014 12:49 TheYango wrote:
The way I understand it, you only lose personal vision. Shared vision from allied units is still normal.

On November 26 2014 12:45 Ryuu314 wrote:
meh. all yall so cynical. I think new champ looks sick.

depending on the range of the movement detection thing for his burrowed mode, it could potentially be insane. Plus, losing vision might not be that big a deal in non-solo queue since your teammates can still talk to you and tell you where the visible enemies are. It's all upside, no downside (in competitive games) imo. On top of that, if his W can go through walls, you can scout w/out getting into melee range assuming you can hit an (potentially) unaware target with a reasonably fast moving skillshot.

I did kinda hope burrowing would give him stealth, but that's too OP.

On November 26 2014 12:49 PrinceXizor wrote:

I was discussing a role's homogenization, not whether a single champion can fulfill multiple roles. how "jungle" champions are all expected to be one way (with the few exceptions being almost all early champions, or massive nerf targets), how mid lanes have become identical except for some flavor or the choice between physical or magic damage. how all "marksmen" are played the same. asking why a "marksman" couldn't be designed to play the role as a zone control champion rather than a pure DPS, or how assassins/mages are shunned out of the jungle. The exceptions are too far and few and are often targets of riot for change or ancient designs. goumindong took it as if i was asking "why can't syndra do all the damage she does and be a tank too" which is asinine and also not even close to what i said.

On November 26 2014 12:52 TheYango wrote:
Because in a game where virtually all the relevant champions already exist within their specific roles, it's impossible to draft the exceptions unless they're so strong as to be compelling in spite of being inappropriate for your draft (which would make them overpowered). If your zone control marksman is to be feasibly picked, it has to be possible to pick up the lack of lategame physical damage across other roles, otherwise you end up with a lopsided draft.

Role/position variability has to be systemically supported to be feasible at a high level, and has to be accompanied with enough laning fluidity to overcome the early game weaknesses in the variations. The former would again require a complete overhaul of the majority of the champion pool, and the latter is something that Riot has pretty much never liked.

On November 26 2014 12:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
Well in that case, her burrow is literally all upside. Not knowing exactly what enemy champ is there is unfortunate, but most of the times just knowing someone is there is more than enough.

Plus, she's supposed to be a counterjungler. If the range on the tremor thing is large enough, she can counterjungle with near impunity especially post 6.

If the range is too short, it's kinda pointless though.

On November 26 2014 13:01 PrinceXizor wrote:
Can we really say this is true. on patch 4.20 for eternity however? i'm aware we have rather rapid patch cycles in this game, and that professional teams are dissuaded from innovation because of it among other reasons, including the LCS format. But can we really say for sure, that all the relevant champions on this patch exist within the riot pre-defined roles? I'm not so sure we can. there are ways of playing the game that can be made relevant on any given patch. they are just so discouraged by riot, that even attempting to perfect them will bring riot's nerf-wrath. Look at the longstanding threats morello has had with poppy. if anyone played her competitively, she'd be nerfed. why? because she represents a character who can break from the pre-established meta and have a strategy formed where things aren't played in a manner that every game will play out. At some point we have to suggest that maybe the hand holding and need by riot to have the casual game reflect on the competitive one, is detrimental to the well being of the game.

On November 26 2014 13:02 Ryuu314 wrote:
yea, the tremor sight range looks kinda short. meh. hype lowered :[ I was hoping it's be greater than vision range. That'd be pretty neat.

On November 26 2014 13:06 PrinceXizor wrote:

The weird part about her kit is that she looks to be designed for a tanky jungler role that would rely on cdr. but her main disable is on an internal cooldown of 10 seconds, so cdr is pointless for that.

On November 26 2014 13:10 Ryuu314 wrote:

I understand the rationale for that though. The burrow cd is only 4 seconds. If you had a 1 second knockup on a 4 second cd that could be further reduced by CDR...well, let's just say it'd be hard to balance.

She's supposed to be an assassin according to the Riot write-up. I'm guessing they envisioned her as a Kha'zix style jungle.

On November 26 2014 13:45 Gahlo wrote:
It says on her preview that she's supposed to be relying on the laner's damage for gank success. -.-

On November 26 2014 14:19 Gahlo wrote:

Rammus can't roll through walls.