• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:27
CEST 12:27
KST 19:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced11Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid21
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1941 users

[Patch 4.18] Sion Reborn General Discussion - Page 9

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 157 Next
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 09 2014 15:49 GMT
#161
So how viable is GP with the ult buffs?

I haven't played League in a couple months, but if I can use muh pirate again, I'm patching that shit 5 minutes ago.
SUNSFANNED
Willard42
Profile Joined May 2014
United States54 Posts
October 09 2014 15:49 GMT
#162
On October 10 2014 00:44 Alzadar wrote:
Not sure I agree with that. He's maybe not the single strongest lategame champion but he's pretty damn strong. Who are some more impactful top laners?

I agree that his late game is one of the strongest (and it used to be even stronger) if he builds right and gets the stacks he needs.

Due to his infinite scaling on his Q, he can just amass all the tank items he needs and just bum-rush the carries, take barely any damage, and two hit anyone squishy
"Don't Panic"
Lost My Will To Live
Profile Joined October 2014
Botswana601 Posts
October 09 2014 15:51 GMT
#163
On October 10 2014 00:46 Willard42 wrote:
How is the adc scene looking?

Did the nerfs to Luc and Trist really do anything?
Did Ez's buff help at all?

Mana change on Lucian is going to hurt his laning power. Part of his laning prowess was the ability to dodge skillshots for free and get essentially a free double shot off when he wants to. If he's forced to use mana to dodge support skillshots or trade damage, that means less Qs and less trade damage coming back your way.
I am who you think I am
Willard42
Profile Joined May 2014
United States54 Posts
October 09 2014 15:52 GMT
#164
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky
"Don't Panic"
Willard42
Profile Joined May 2014
United States54 Posts
October 09 2014 15:54 GMT
#165
On October 10 2014 00:51 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 00:46 Willard42 wrote:
How is the adc scene looking?

Did the nerfs to Luc and Trist really do anything?
Did Ez's buff help at all?

Mana change on Lucian is going to hurt his laning power. Part of his laning prowess was the ability to dodge skillshots for free and get essentially a free double shot off when he wants to. If he's forced to use mana to dodge support skillshots or trade damage, that means less Qs and less trade damage coming back your way.


That was my assumption upon reading his changes in the patch notes, although not a huge hit (I still think he's tied for the best mid game adc), his early game will be a little bit weaker
"Don't Panic"
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 09 2014 15:56 GMT
#166
Azir's spells feel a lot more reliable now, bugfixes seemed to have done some good.

He's still a little awkward and ungainly and I feel like he could still use some more fixes, but all in all it feels a LOT better.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 09 2014 15:58 GMT
#167
On October 10 2014 00:56 Ketara wrote:
Azir's spells feel a lot more reliable now, bugfixes seemed to have done some good.

He's still a little awkward and ungainly and I feel like he could still use some more fixes, but all in all it feels a LOT better.

That's good to hear, I'm excited to try it out.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 09 2014 16:02 GMT
#168
The important part is the tank, imo. Difference in damage isn't huge. Hyper hits hard on its own.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
October 09 2014 16:03 GMT
#169
On October 10 2014 00:52 Willard42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky

To be fair, unless we're talking about AP Sion, every time I saw a Nasus or Sion lose it was because they got to lategame and thought they were literally a demigod and decided to 1v5.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
October 09 2014 16:06 GMT
#170
On October 10 2014 01:03 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 00:52 Willard42 wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky

To be fair, unless we're talking about AP Sion, every time I saw a Nasus or Sion lose it was because they got to lategame and thought they were literally a demigod and decided to 1v5.

i take 6item 600++ stack nasus over any top laner, no idea who started this talk about him sucking late game but its full of shit
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 09 2014 16:10 GMT
#171
wait is that roffles
Bronze player stuck in platinum
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 09 2014 16:16 GMT
#172
On October 10 2014 00:56 Ketara wrote:
Azir's spells feel a lot more reliable now, bugfixes seemed to have done some good.

He's still a little awkward and ungainly and I feel like he could still use some more fixes, but all in all it feels a LOT better.

I just have to get used to not allining with W Q auto E ignite ult, aiming the ult to hit twice instead of aiming it to block the best.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 09 2014 16:20 GMT
#173
Like,

Before I was basically never able to do the Azir insec play because this bug or that bug would screw it up.

Then after not playing him for a couple weeks in my first game I did it about 3 times.

It's really interesting how much better it feels to play a champion when his spells actually do the things you tell them to do.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 16:26:28
October 09 2014 16:25 GMT
#174
I don't really Like the insec play on azir. obviously there are times its okay, like shoving an out of position person into your team, but its god awful in a lot of situations because shoving the enemy away from your soldiers can cost you your life in 1v1 situations.

I don't mind it when you don't use the Q to get behind them though. but thats such a low range anyway.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 16:27:44
October 09 2014 16:25 GMT
#175
On October 10 2014 00:49 BrownBear wrote:
So how viable is GP with the ult buffs?

I haven't played League in a couple months, but if I can use muh pirate again, I'm patching that shit 5 minutes ago.

he's still GP, though with some CDR, I could see him be a pretty mean splitpusher in lategame.
On October 10 2014 01:06 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:03 Gahlo wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:52 Willard42 wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky

To be fair, unless we're talking about AP Sion, every time I saw a Nasus or Sion lose it was because they got to lategame and thought they were literally a demigod and decided to 1v5.

i take 6item 600++ stack nasus over any top laner, no idea who started this talk about him sucking late game but its full of shit

bro, do you even poppy?
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 09 2014 16:27 GMT
#176
Having ult be more reliable for dueling/ganks is a decent boost to his top lane, but he still has his share of problems same as before.
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 09 2014 16:28 GMT
#177
Split push has always been the only legit way to play GP I thought?

Push all day, assist fights on other half of map with ult and/or TP
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 16:31:57
October 09 2014 16:31 GMT
#178
On October 10 2014 01:28 Ketara wrote:
Split push has always been the only legit way to play GP I thought?

Push all day, assist fights on other half of map with ult and/or TP

Before, he used to be a okay splitpusher in lategame. now he's probably decent in lategame. Not to mention with the new ult, he has the option of sticking with team, and using the ult to clear waves, since the wave clear will be more consistent.
liftlift > tsm
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
October 09 2014 16:37 GMT
#179
On October 10 2014 01:06 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:03 Gahlo wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:52 Willard42 wrote:
On October 10 2014 00:48 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On October 09 2014 21:49 kongoline wrote:
hate champions with infinite scaling like nasus and sion, its frustrating to play against the clock dont know why riot thinks its a good idea to put it into the game

Pre-rework Sion was played a lot and was a good champion.
Nasus is played a lot and is a good champion.
Veigar is played a lot and is a good champion.

Yes, these champions are clearly OP and Riot has no idea what they're doing because once the game gets to 45 minutes you instantly lose if these guys are in the game.


Eh, at least Veigar can be assassinated, the other two get way to tanky

To be fair, unless we're talking about AP Sion, every time I saw a Nasus or Sion lose it was because they got to lategame and thought they were literally a demigod and decided to 1v5.

i take 6item 600++ stack nasus over any top laner, no idea who started this talk about him sucking late game but its full of shit

In the current meta I still think I would take full build ryze and maybe Irelia/Mundo/ Kayle over Nasus in a plus 50 min game. Adcs like Lucian trist and corki along with the current common support pool all can deal with Nasus fairly easy. Nasus late game full build is still really scary but I think around 35-40 mins is were his powerspike hits after that he falls off a bit.
Moar banelings less qq
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 09 2014 16:39 GMT
#180
On October 10 2014 01:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 01:28 Ketara wrote:
Split push has always been the only legit way to play GP I thought?

Push all day, assist fights on other half of map with ult and/or TP

Before, he used to be a okay splitpusher in lategame. now he's probably decent in lategame. Not to mention with the new ult, he has the option of sticking with team, and using the ult to clear waves, since the wave clear will be more consistent.

his wave clear isn't as good with the ult except where the creeps actually meet. his ult will fail to kill a wave walking underneath it unless they stop.
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 157 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #102
CranKy Ducklings54
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 1947
Horang2 1245
Mind 785
Mini 365
Larva 333
actioN 225
Sharp 146
EffOrt 128
ggaemo 108
Backho 94
[ Show more ]
Last 83
Aegong 74
BeSt 64
ZerO 57
Hm[arnc] 23
Bale 18
Movie 14
soO 10
Dota 2
Gorgc2173
NeuroSwarm160
ODPixel80
League of Legends
JimRising 462
Counter-Strike
zeus992
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King151
amsayoshi61
Westballz43
Other Games
gofns7968
singsing1547
Pyrionflax219
ArmadaUGS84
Trikslyr31
ZerO(Twitch)11
QueenE0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream6810
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream5464
Other Games
gamesdonequick748
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 61
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1437
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
33m
SC Evo League
3h 3m
IPSL
5h 33m
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
8h 33m
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
Patches Events
11h 33m
CranKy Ducklings
13h 33m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
23h 33m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d
Ladder Legends
1d 4h
BSL
1d 8h
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
[ Show More ]
IPSL
1d 8h
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
1d 22h
Wardi Open
1d 23h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 23h
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.