EPT[Patch 4.18] Sion Reborn General Discussion - Page 131
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JimmiC
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 31 2014 23:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: If you wanna be real cheeky, you could max W on Galio first. Makes it cake to heal off of minion aggro and gives you plenty of toughness. That's what I'll do sometimes when I'm mid against LB or something stupid like that (although I haven't done that match up since they changed her). Galio i've been ignoring E except as a single point if happen to need it randomly. Bulwark is insane early on. Healing, defense steroid and AP steroid all in one move, and it doesnt have a cast animation so you can cast it instantly on reaction anytime you want with a self cast hotkey | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Works better than against Malz because it deals nowhere near as much damage early on despite how fast visions tick. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On October 31 2014 23:17 Alzadar wrote: Lol speaking of Ryze vs Riven, got my face caved in yesterday. I knew my Shaco was coming so I was slightly less afraid than I should have been, Riven killed me as he arrived, Shaco chases all the way back to tower, dives, dies. Riven with double kill and double buff at level 2, we all know how that game went.  I think I'm going to make a special runepage for that match-up. Armor Quints - vs MS, is MS even useful vs Riven? Armor Yellows Flat Mana Blues Armor vs MPen Reds - thoughts? I'd go for armor quints and reds. Quints because Riven got massive kill potential on her own and can force fights despite a small movespeed advantage if she really wants, reds because you want to survive to scale and if it allows one more rotation/single Q it probably already allowed more damage than a set of MPens. As a sidebonus it also allow for some normally suicidal dives. I run a full armor page (including blues - don't have spare room for a Ryze specific) against Riven and it works fantastic. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 31 2014 23:44 Alaric wrote: Galio vs Talon is the kind of match-up that has idiots spout "muh not AP champion Galio useless" when you can actually shove him to prevent roaming and if Talon tries to trade Bulwark pretty much cancels out Noxian Diplomacy because it's a DoT. Works better than against Malz because it deals nowhere near as much damage early on despite how fast visions tick. Galio is also pretty hilarious against syndra. their clear is pretty much the same, and galio can laugh at syndra ulti with bulwark. so he becomes pretty much unkillable in the 1v1 matchup, so you rely on ganking a galio which can turn into a nightmare very quickly. | ||
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Sufficiency
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Alzadar
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
I run him with full MR runes and MS quints, mostly for lulz. I find it funny that a year ago when I championed Galio around, I got basically shouted down. Obviously things have changed, but I think people just didn't really realize how annoying he can be. | ||
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Alzadar
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:05 Alzadar wrote: Idol of Durand is still awkward as fuck. Sure. It was worse when Udyr was played more cuz stupid bear. It's definitely worth running Distortion boots on him for flash CD, and you get double value if you run TP too, although I rarely do cuz I'm shit at TP | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sure. It was worse when Udyr was played more cuz stupid bear. It's definitely worth running Distortion boots on him for flash CD, and you get double value if you run TP too, although I rarely do cuz I'm shit at TP Pretty sure the REAL issue is that with tenacity you can avoid the damage entirely. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:14 Sufficiency wrote: Pretty sure the REAL issue is that with tenacity you can avoid the damage entirely. With tenacity on a melee you only avoid the damage if galio is bad or you burn flash. which is true of quite a bunch of ultimates so NBD. on a ranged, its if galio is bad. You get 0 additional damage past usually the first second on channelling in a team fight. so unless you are in a solo kill situation there is often little reason to channel the full half second extra they can move around, and instead you just pop it yourself before they get out of the 575 range. preferably by casting Resolute smite on a squishy so they get hit by both at the same time. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Ranged champions can Flash out / Zhonya / gapclose out. Many melee champions can dodge it in various ways or brace the attack (e.g. Zed R, Riven shield, etc). | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:25 Sufficiency wrote: It's a problem because: Ranged champions can Flash out / Zhonya / gapclose out. Many melee champions can dodge it in various ways or brace the attack (e.g. Zed R, Riven shield, etc). so wait. you are suggesting the ability is bad and seriously flawed because you can flash/zhonya/dash to escape it, IF they have tenacity and wait a second and a half of disabling? there must be a long long list of unviable abilities for you man. because literally every skillshot is worse than that. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Not all skillshot takes 2 seconds to actually hit you. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:25 Sufficiency wrote: It's a problem because: Ranged champions can Flash out / Zhonya / gapclose out. Many melee champions can dodge it in various ways or brace the attack (e.g. Zed R, Riven shield, etc). And as PX said, you can deactivate it early and get a good chunk of damage, and doing so would mess up their timings. In the meantime, your team should be shitting on them while you're taunting in the middle and not dying because of Idol | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:32 Sufficiency wrote: Are you serious? Not all skillshot takes 2 seconds to actually hit you. They take about half a second right? about the amount of time you have post taunt with regular amounts of tenacity. unless you mean like a garen with 21 defense and merc treads using his W and with the new elixir that gives 15% tenacity. he'd have a full 2 seconds. once you get hit 8 times you deal max damage on galios ulti PERIOD. you don't need to wait 2 seconds if you get hit 8 times in the first .5 seconds (due to creeps or W/E) then you can pop it after .5 seconds and no one outside of the fringe cases can avoid that with tenacity. and everyone takes full damage. its not NUNU ultimate. it doesn't increase in damage over time, it increases in damage based on the number of times you get hit during it. if you flash a skillshot it does nothing. if you sit in galio ulti for 1.5 seconds and flash out, you were still disabled for 1.5 seconds. | ||
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Sufficiency
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