• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:02
CET 22:02
KST 06:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League73Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games Oceanic Brood War - Join and chat! Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [BSL23] RO24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8272 users

[Patch 4.18] Sion Reborn General Discussion - Page 131

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 129 130 131 132 133 157 Next
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 31 2014 14:37 GMT
#2601
--- Nuked ---
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 14:41:58
October 31 2014 14:40 GMT
#2602
On October 31 2014 23:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 23:33 arb wrote:
On October 31 2014 21:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Well do you max his Q first?

yeah max Q first if you don't want to get any farm rofl.
unless youre talking about galio.

mummy would def be e max, the damage reduction + aoe would be what you'd need to clear the waves when they get shoved under tower


If you wanna be real cheeky, you could max W on Galio first. Makes it cake to heal off of minion aggro and gives you plenty of toughness. That's what I'll do sometimes when I'm mid against LB or something stupid like that (although I haven't done that match up since they changed her).

Galio i've been ignoring E except as a single point if happen to need it randomly. Bulwark is insane early on.

Healing, defense steroid and AP steroid all in one move, and it doesnt have a cast animation so you can cast it instantly on reaction anytime you want with a self cast hotkey
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 31 2014 14:44 GMT
#2603
Galio vs Talon is the kind of match-up that has idiots spout "muh not AP champion Galio useless" when you can actually shove him to prevent roaming and if Talon tries to trade Bulwark pretty much cancels out Noxian Diplomacy because it's a DoT.
Works better than against Malz because it deals nowhere near as much damage early on despite how fast visions tick.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
October 31 2014 14:45 GMT
#2604
On October 31 2014 23:17 Alzadar wrote:
Lol speaking of Ryze vs Riven, got my face caved in yesterday. I knew my Shaco was coming so I was slightly less afraid than I should have been, Riven killed me as he arrived, Shaco chases all the way back to tower, dives, dies. Riven with double kill and double buff at level 2, we all know how that game went.

I think I'm going to make a special runepage for that match-up.
Armor Quints - vs MS, is MS even useful vs Riven?
Armor Yellows
Flat Mana Blues
Armor vs MPen Reds - thoughts?

I'd go for armor quints and reds.

Quints because Riven got massive kill potential on her own and can force fights despite a small movespeed advantage if she really wants, reds because you want to survive to scale and if it allows one more rotation/single Q it probably already allowed more damage than a set of MPens.
As a sidebonus it also allow for some normally suicidal dives.

I run a full armor page (including blues - don't have spare room for a Ryze specific) against Riven and it works fantastic.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 31 2014 14:48 GMT
#2605
Even a big movespeed advantage. Riven basically moves as fast as someone with one level of boots above her (or even faster) when she uses Q and E to move (so as long as she doesn't have to use all 3 Q just to get in range she gives no fuck about your own MS-based mobility).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 14:55:21
October 31 2014 14:53 GMT
#2606
On October 31 2014 23:44 Alaric wrote:
Galio vs Talon is the kind of match-up that has idiots spout "muh not AP champion Galio useless" when you can actually shove him to prevent roaming and if Talon tries to trade Bulwark pretty much cancels out Noxian Diplomacy because it's a DoT.
Works better than against Malz because it deals nowhere near as much damage early on despite how fast visions tick.

Galio is also pretty hilarious against syndra. their clear is pretty much the same, and galio can laugh at syndra ulti with bulwark. so he becomes pretty much unkillable in the 1v1 matchup, so you rely on ganking a galio which can turn into a nightmare very quickly.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2014 14:54 GMT
#2607
Yes, but when you are ranged and she is melee, you don't always need to be able to "catch" her by outrunning her. Sometimes you just need to be able to move fast enough to maintain your distance.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 14:58:46
October 31 2014 14:57 GMT
#2608
I don't mind Galio as Malzahar. Yes Bulwark is ridiculous and turns your strongest nuke into a heal, but he can't kill you either so you trade farm, which is fine by me as Malzahar. Don't see the match-up much though.
I am the Town Medic.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 31 2014 15:01 GMT
#2609
Biggest downside with Galio is that you'll definitely need damage elsewhere, but he does basically nullify any lane he goes into. I got stuck against a Darius mid during a ranked 5s game, and as long as Scip (olaf) and I coordinated, the ganks were pretty simple.

I run him with full MR runes and MS quints, mostly for lulz.

I find it funny that a year ago when I championed Galio around, I got basically shouted down. Obviously things have changed, but I think people just didn't really realize how annoying he can be.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 31 2014 15:05 GMT
#2610
Idol of Durand is still awkward as fuck.
I am the Town Medic.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 31 2014 15:07 GMT
#2611
On November 01 2014 00:05 Alzadar wrote:
Idol of Durand is still awkward as fuck.


Sure. It was worse when Udyr was played more cuz stupid bear.

It's definitely worth running Distortion boots on him for flash CD, and you get double value if you run TP too, although I rarely do cuz I'm shit at TP
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 31 2014 15:11 GMT
#2612
Meh damage-wise you're better off running MPen marks. Not sure about the value of MR seals, so unless you really really need to survive they probably aren't worth running as much as something like HP, mp5, etc.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 15:15:09
October 31 2014 15:14 GMT
#2613
On November 01 2014 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 00:05 Alzadar wrote:
Idol of Durand is still awkward as fuck.


Sure. It was worse when Udyr was played more cuz stupid bear.

It's definitely worth running Distortion boots on him for flash CD, and you get double value if you run TP too, although I rarely do cuz I'm shit at TP


Pretty sure the REAL issue is that with tenacity you can avoid the damage entirely.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 15:22:02
October 31 2014 15:17 GMT
#2614
I do Mpen red, Mana regen yell (or armor vs yasuo/zed), ap/lvl Blue, and flat AP quints or MR vs Zilean. on galio. works pretty well.

On November 01 2014 00:14 Sufficiency wrote:

Pretty sure the REAL issue is that with tenacity you can avoid the damage entirely.

With tenacity on a melee you only avoid the damage if galio is bad or you burn flash. which is true of quite a bunch of ultimates so NBD. on a ranged, its if galio is bad. You get 0 additional damage past usually the first second on channelling in a team fight. so unless you are in a solo kill situation there is often little reason to channel the full half second extra they can move around, and instead you just pop it yourself before they get out of the 575 range. preferably by casting Resolute smite on a squishy so they get hit by both at the same time.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2014 15:25 GMT
#2615
It's a problem because:

Ranged champions can Flash out / Zhonya / gapclose out.

Many melee champions can dodge it in various ways or brace the attack (e.g. Zed R, Riven shield, etc).
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 15:29:52
October 31 2014 15:29 GMT
#2616
On November 01 2014 00:25 Sufficiency wrote:
It's a problem because:

Ranged champions can Flash out / Zhonya / gapclose out.

Many melee champions can dodge it in various ways or brace the attack (e.g. Zed R, Riven shield, etc).

so wait. you are suggesting the ability is bad and seriously flawed because you can flash/zhonya/dash to escape it, IF they have tenacity and wait a second and a half of disabling?

there must be a long long list of unviable abilities for you man. because literally every skillshot is worse than that.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2014 15:32 GMT
#2617
Are you serious?

Not all skillshot takes 2 seconds to actually hit you.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 31 2014 15:32 GMT
#2618
On November 01 2014 00:25 Sufficiency wrote:
It's a problem because:

Ranged champions can Flash out / Zhonya / gapclose out.

Many melee champions can dodge it in various ways or brace the attack (e.g. Zed R, Riven shield, etc).


And as PX said, you can deactivate it early and get a good chunk of damage, and doing so would mess up their timings. In the meantime, your team should be shitting on them while you're taunting in the middle and not dying because of Idol
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 31 2014 15:36 GMT
#2619
On November 01 2014 00:32 Sufficiency wrote:
Are you serious?

Not all skillshot takes 2 seconds to actually hit you.

They take about half a second right? about the amount of time you have post taunt with regular amounts of tenacity.

unless you mean like a garen with 21 defense and merc treads using his W and with the new elixir that gives 15% tenacity. he'd have a full 2 seconds.

once you get hit 8 times you deal max damage on galios ulti PERIOD. you don't need to wait 2 seconds if you get hit 8 times in the first .5 seconds (due to creeps or W/E) then you can pop it after .5 seconds and no one outside of the fringe cases can avoid that with tenacity. and everyone takes full damage.

its not NUNU ultimate. it doesn't increase in damage over time, it increases in damage based on the number of times you get hit during it.

if you flash a skillshot it does nothing. if you sit in galio ulti for 1.5 seconds and flash out, you were still disabled for 1.5 seconds.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 31 2014 15:37 GMT
#2620
Oh yeah it can be cancelled early. My bad.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Prev 1 129 130 131 132 133 157 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 264
JuggernautJason97
Nathanias 52
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 465
ProTech179
Dewaltoss 123
Aegong 28
Dota 2
Gorgc10125
League of Legends
JimRising 436
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1207
Super Smash Bros
PPMD15
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3819
Liquid`Hasu523
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi2661
FrodaN662
Cr1tdota525
shahzam383
XaKoH 198
C9.Mang0157
UpATreeSC81
ZombieGrub46
Trikslyr35
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 97
• musti20045 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 38
• 80smullet 23
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV385
League of Legends
• Nemesis2661
• Jankos2461
• Scarra915
Other Games
• imaqtpie763
• Shiphtur600
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
13h 58m
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
1d 2h
The PondCast
1d 12h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 13h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
OSC
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
Yamato Cup
5 days
Map Test Tournament
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
ShieldBattery League 1
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.