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[Patch 4.18] Sion Reborn General Discussion - Page 13

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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 09 2014 22:30 GMT
#241
He makes Qtpie's stream hilarious as heck though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
October 09 2014 22:51 GMT
#242
On October 10 2014 07:30 Alaric wrote:
He makes Qtpie's stream hilarious as heck though.



Qtpite doesn't need Sion to be hilarious. Also, it was banned the three champ selects I saw on his stream. I wanna see that Sion mid.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 22:56:22
October 09 2014 22:52 GMT
#243
Sion R and Q are not easy skills to constantly get them right and when you miss you are fucked up. These are the abilities that define him, there is neither safe out nor I cannot get out but I did smth for the team to win the fight when you don't land Q + R or just Q or R. Its straight 4v5 + some feed for the 5s )
Also I am not convinced that when you hit your skill shots you do more that other champs, meaning that there is a skill trade off, if you are good you get more from the champ, if you are bad you get less than average. Looks like if you do good you get a regular reliable tank, nothing more, nothing less, but if you do bad you doom your team.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 09 2014 22:55 GMT
#244
Sion is a pretty classic league melee champion that can't gapclose so is kinda useless.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
October 09 2014 23:01 GMT
#245
I just don't get how this "coded as a minion" shit keeps happening. Like, how in the hell have they not come up with a class for stuff like that?
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 09 2014 23:03 GMT
#246
On October 10 2014 07:28 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 07:25 LaNague wrote:
so whoever gets sion in their team loses?


At least thats my experience, its basically a 4v5 when sion doesnt have ult


Maybe people just suck at new sion.


To me he seems like he is very weak without his ult. Its easy to avoid or CC him out of his stun and he is super vulnerable to kiting. With his ult he can chain his ult and Q to do a lot of damage. But if he misses it he is really bad.

Clearly better out of the jungle, since the ult means strong lane ganks and ganking side lanes from river is much more risky. He should still be able to lane against melee though
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 09 2014 23:06 GMT
#247
Well it is almost a nobrainer that a melee champion with a charge up skill that roots HIMSELF is bad unless his numbers are grossly overtuned.

Maybe he is better at splitting, I don't know.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12059 Posts
October 09 2014 23:06 GMT
#248
On October 10 2014 08:01 Terranasaur wrote:
I just don't get how this "coded as a minion" shit keeps happening. Like, how in the hell have they not come up with a class for stuff like that?


Maybe they want to become dota and just have random bullshit interactions between skills just becaused they are coded incredibly weirdly, and hope that their fans will argue that that totally makes sense and is logical and has to be like that because you emit an invisible fan of knives that does 0 damage and thus it totally makes sense.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 09 2014 23:09 GMT
#249
Also why in god's name does another champ that can't be played ap have ap ratios?Rito pls that is just retarded....
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
October 09 2014 23:10 GMT
#250
On October 10 2014 08:09 nafta wrote:
Also why in god's name does another champ that can't be played ap have ap ratios?Rito pls that is just retarded....

Because Iceborn is a suggested, and alright, item on him I suppose.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 09 2014 23:10 GMT
#251
On October 10 2014 07:28 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 07:25 LaNague wrote:
so whoever gets sion in their team loses?


At least thats my experience, its basically a 4v5 when sion doesnt have ult


Maybe people just suck at new sion.

Nah bro, Riot clearly ruined him.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 09 2014 23:21 GMT
#252
I don't think new Sion was intended to be good, but rather to get rid of Sion's play style
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 09 2014 23:24 GMT
#253
On October 10 2014 08:21 Goumindong wrote:
I don't think new Sion was intended to be good, but rather to get rid of Sion's play style


Ah of course, the old pour money and resources to make a champion not good trick.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 23:27:26
October 09 2014 23:26 GMT
#254
On October 10 2014 08:24 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 08:21 Goumindong wrote:
I don't think new Sion was intended to be good, but rather to get rid of Sion's play style


Ah of course, the old pour money and resources to make a champion not good trick.


Champions can be interesting and fun to play without being good.

edit: can also be valuable to the meta(but not sure about this case)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 09 2014 23:28 GMT
#255
The new Sion is definitely interesting. It's not merely a feeble attempt to kill the old AP Sion.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-09 23:29:04
October 09 2014 23:28 GMT
#256
On October 10 2014 08:26 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 08:24 Parnage wrote:
On October 10 2014 08:21 Goumindong wrote:
I don't think new Sion was intended to be good, but rather to get rid of Sion's play style


Ah of course, the old pour money and resources to make a champion not good trick.


Champions can be interesting and fun to play without being good.

edit: can also be valuable to the meta(but not sure about this case)


You might have to redefine "good" then.

Also, I'd be very surprised if anyone at Riot released a Champion thinking "well, this probably will be bad." Their issue is generally their predictive skills, not their effort.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
October 09 2014 23:36 GMT
#257
I'm in the wait and see camp. I dunno how he'll play out in the long run but can't really judge a rework on the first day. Well you could but that'd be a tad silly.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
October 09 2014 23:42 GMT
#258
For what it's worth new Sion is super fun to play from the jungle. Sometimes you just feel like "RRAAARRRRGH HULK SMASH!" regardless of how good the champion is, see: Darius.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 09 2014 23:47 GMT
#259
Champion is underpowered on release: Riot has no idea what they're doing, all their reworks are shit and ruin the champion.
Champion is overpowered on release: Typical Riot, makes a champion overpowered on release just to make a quick buck and then they nerf them a few weeks later.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 09 2014 23:51 GMT
#260
On October 10 2014 08:24 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 08:21 Goumindong wrote:
I don't think new Sion was intended to be good, but rather to get rid of Sion's play style


Ah of course, the old pour money and resources to make a champion not good trick.


Yea, like hire Smashgizmo and waste his time making a rubbish Olaf, who would do that?

More importantly, RE: Azir tower

On October 10 2014 02:49 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 02:28 Shikyo wrote:
On October 10 2014 02:09 cLutZ wrote:
On October 10 2014 01:58 Ketara wrote:
Azir Q still seems a little bit buggy, won't cast sometimes when you press it and has to be pressed several times. W E and R are working great now though.

His cast ranges are all pretty awkward and take getting used to. I wouldn't call it "bugs" per se, just things where the circles you get of where your things can go are not very good indicators of where they'll actually go, so it takes more games than it should to get comfortable with it.

And his tower is still much weaker than it should be because its damage doesnt scale with subsequent hits, but Rita said that'll be fixed in the next patch. Hopefully his Q will be cleaned up as well.

Shouldnt his tower be weak? It seems like a stupid mechanic to base his power level on.

It's potentially the most overpowered mechanic in the game, being able to magically conjure a turret to protect an otherwise open inhibitor is extremely powerful especially for anti-splitpush/backdoor. Even vs 5 on 5 baron pushes it can patch up an otherwise open inhibitor.


I feel it's more powerful in pushing than in defense. How do you stop a siege at your T2 that has a enemy tower at your T1?


I think this is kind of the problem I have with it. The towers time out, so regardless of strength they aren't really that OP at preventing splitpushes (they are annoying vs. sieges), so their power is like 1/2 in those situations. But when you are going forward its ridiculously strong. Almost like a non-skillshot version of the old Nidalee.

Remember, nidalee was never objectively overpowered (even in pro games), instead she just won or lost really hard based on what kind of game it was.
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