EPT[Patch 4.15] Master Tier General Discussion - Page 27
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
For top, I have no fucking clue, I hate top so I learned Teemo and Gangplank. I'm actually decent with GP, and Teemo I just lay mushrooms and hope I get carried. Jungle, J4 and Nocturne all the way. ADC, Miss Fortune is very easy to pick up. She's a strong lane bully and since her recent buffs scales pretty well into the late game, the lack of an excape really hurts though. Caitlyn is really easy to pick up, and so is Corki. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Have you tried the following yet? I think they are fairly straight forward to play and (sometimes) cheap in IP. They are not very demanding on mechanics, have no weird playstyle (e.g. splitpushing) and have more of a "back to basics" kind of feel to them. Top lane: Garen, Shyvana. Jungle: Amumu, J4 Mid: Ahri, Lux, Ziggs, maybe Twisted Fate? ADC: Caitlyn, Sivir, Ashe Support: Sona, Leona | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On August 30 2014 23:30 Nemireck wrote: For top, I have no fucking clue, I hate top so I learned Teemo and Gangplank. I'm actually decent with GP, and Teemo I just lay mushrooms and hope I get carried. I love how self fulfilling this is. "I don't like playing X lane, so I learned champions for that lane that are underpowered that don't work with any common team comps." It's like when you see support Nidalee. "I hate support, so I'm going to pick a terrible support." | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On August 30 2014 22:38 Numy wrote: Ori is one of the more mechanically demanding heroes but is very strong. I wouldn't suggest her for someone starting out. She's far more utility than damage. edit: It sounds like your concept of back timings is off. I had the same issue when I started playing league at first. Your lead is irrelevant if they backed before you had a chance to get items off it. Just because you force them out of lane it doesn't mean you can do it again until you go buy yourself. I tell this to all noobs, back constantly at first then gradually learn when you can not back. I mean in comparison to the other games I'm playing, she isn't that demanding to juggle both last-hitting and the ball. Granted I suck but I don't feel any difficulty playing her in the sense that it all comes very naturally. So when I cause them to go back. Do I immediately TP back as well and buy or what do I do? On August 30 2014 23:08 Sufficiency wrote: I feel Shen is very hard to play though. He has these handful of very hard match ups, a huge requirement on game knowledge (when to ult, who can stop your ult) and map awareness (spot when to ult), and he often needs to splitpush (not the easiest thing to do) Him and Alistar were among my best many years ago but I think things are too different for me to think that way. Maybe I should hold off on him given I dont know the champions all that well. On August 30 2014 23:30 Nemireck wrote: For mid, Orianna is a great pick. You can carry with damage if you get ahead, and if you fall behind you can still be useful in most situations with her utility. Lux can be good as well, and also Annie. For top, I have no fucking clue, I hate top so I learned Teemo and Gangplank. I'm actually decent with GP, and Teemo I just lay mushrooms and hope I get carried. Jungle, J4 and Nocturne all the way. ADC, Miss Fortune is very easy to pick up. She's a strong lane bully and since her recent buffs scales pretty well into the late game, the lack of an excape really hurts though. Caitlyn is really easy to pick up, and so is Corki. I have Corki but I don't like to play ADC whatsoever nor Jungle. I have Teemo as well but I find him too squishy and aggravating to play. I like Lux's abilities but I thought she was a support champion. On August 30 2014 23:37 Sufficiency wrote: Torte de Lini: Have you tried the following yet? I think they are fairly straight forward to play and (sometimes) cheap in IP. They are not very demanding on mechanics, have no weird playstyle (e.g. splitpushing) and have more of a "back to basics" kind of feel to them. Top lane: Garen, Shyvana. Jungle: Amumu, J4 Mid: Ahri, Lux, Ziggs, maybe Twisted Fate? ADC: Caitlyn, Sivir, Ashe Support: Sona, Leona I have Garen. I don't like playing him or playing against him. He's very dull and straight-forward. The rest I don't think I have. Ziggs also looked like a lot of fun! How does top differ from mid in terms of expectancies and gameplay? The other trouble I have is Itemization especially during the early game. I use Probuilds.net but it still varies too much to give a strong telling. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On August 30 2014 23:38 Ketara wrote: I love how self fulfilling this is. "I don't like playing X lane, so I learned champions for that lane that are underpowered that don't work with any common team comps." It's like when you see support Nidalee. "I hate support, so I'm going to pick a terrible support." I actually win more often than not with Gangplank. So there's that. Considering that I might play top once out of 100 games, I really don't think it matters. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 30 2014 23:43 Torte de Lini wrote: I mean in comparison to the other games I'm playing, she isn't that demanding to juggle both last-hitting and the ball. Granted I suck but I don't feel any difficulty playing her in the sense that it all comes very naturally. So when I cause them to go back. Do I immediately TP back as well and buy or what do I do? Him and Alistar were among my best many years ago but I think things are too different for me to think that way. Maybe I should hold off on him given I dont know the champions all that well. Generally you should try if the enemy back to push the wave to his tower and then back.That is the most basic thing.Orianna's difficulty is very overestimated in this community. You should say what you enjoy playing a bit more broad like what sort of playstyle in general to give some better examples of well suited champs. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On August 30 2014 23:47 nafta wrote: Generally you should try if the enemy back to push the wave to his tower and then back.That is the most basic thing.Orianna's difficulty is very overestimated in this community. You should say what you enjoy playing a bit more broad like what sort of playstyle in general to give some better examples of well suited champs. So push the tower and go buy then, alright. Sorry, I enjoy champions that have strong presence in fights. I don't care for kills or auto-attack but more disables, nuking and not so reliant on farm. In Dota, I play a lot of roaming heroes that never stayed in the lane and just ganked a lot and assisted the game with heals and such. I understand LoL doesn't really gravitate towards early-game ganks (lvl 1-2-3), so it's something difficult to pull off. But that's why I enjoy Oriana and Alistar as they both provide benefits for the team, disrupt fights and are a strong presence throughout. I was thinking of getting Maokai or at least picking three champs that are overall pretty good. I guess Oriana will be my mid. Thresh also looked pretty good as well as Maokai. I don't have these champions yet. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
just max W and farm and ult other lanes, good way to play top conservatively. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VRc62vJ.png) Among the Champions I have, I enjoy:
Based on your suggestions, I will learn 3 to 5 champions. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 30 2014 23:50 Torte de Lini wrote: So push the tower and go buy then, alright. Sorry, I enjoy champions that have strong presence in fights. I don't care for kills or auto-attack but more disables, nuking and not so reliant on farm. In Dota, I play a lot of roaming heroes that never stayed in the lane and just ganked a lot and assisted the game with heals and such. I understand LoL doesn't really gravitate towards early-game ganks (lvl 1-2-3), so it's something difficult to pull off. But that's why I enjoy Oriana and Alistar as they both provide benefits for the team, disrupt fights and are a strong presence throughout. I was thinking of getting Maokai or at least picking three champs that are overall pretty good. I guess Oriana will be my mid. Thresh also looked pretty good as well as Maokai. I don't have these champions yet. So probably mid lane is most suited for what you want.Ziggs/orianna/zilean.2nd best would be support.Leona/zilean/braum/alistar are some examples for good champs.You should play lulu she suits pretty much everything you describe and can go mid/top/support. Most champions that roam are assassins mid lane though.Should consider that option as well. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Nautilus is close, but without the damage. The way is shield works, and his big hitbox, means he's got presence in the fights and good sturdiness once he hits his second item (he's typically played in the jungle, so he needs something with HP on top of spirit of the ancient golem), and his passive gives him a lot of cc. On the other hand, he's very dependant on his teammates ("I keep you alive, you do the heavy lifting"), which means he works because very strong carries are popular atm, and he's still vulnerable in the jungle (far from the best too). Supports like Thresh, Braum, Leona could suit you. Tanky, a lot of cc, great power at either initiating or counter-initiating, lots of play potential and teamfight presence. Leona and Thresh are better roamers than Braum though. About when you make the enemy go back, standard is "shove the wave to tower and recall yourself", with a bit of experience you'll know how to shove the wave so that when you come back it's pushing toward you (makes it easier to zone the enemy and accrue your lead or force him to play risky, without overextending yourself, especially top). Depending on cooldowns, HP/mana, time since last back (you come back, he all-ins you, you survive while healthy and he backs but you only have 200 gold, not necessarily worth it to back) you can also try to help your jungler if he wants to invade, or you can roam to other lanes to gank them (Orianna isn't the best for that, she'll usually farm wraiths instead). You can also make a call for dragon (depending on position of both junglers and state of the other lanes) but this requires more experience and depends if your team follows the call. You can also use the absence of the enemy laner (if you're sure he's backed and isn't waiting for you in the fog of war instead) to go and ward deeper into enemy territory, to protect you and your team from roams and ganks. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
She sounds perfect for Torte | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On August 31 2014 00:11 Alaric wrote: Because it's Lux. Next thing we know you'll suggest him to play Yorick, or even Ziggs. Tsk. No understand. Please explain. Are we trying to recommend mainstream/easy/strong/casting etc what I should probably explain I mainly play on the Chinese server tho | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Love you torte | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On August 31 2014 00:08 Torte de Lini wrote: [...] I just like tanky strong heroes [...] On August 31 2014 00:08 padfoota wrote: Why no love for Lux holy shit guys o.o She sounds perfect for Torte hm...yeah...no. : D | ||
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