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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 22 2014 14:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Apparently these guys are the ones doing it/taking credit for it: https://twitter.com/LizardSquad taking credit for ddosing on twitter is like the dumbest thing i've ever seen. yes, let's make it easier for the FBI to arrest us for a felony crime so we can go to jail. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
On August 22 2014 14:02 Goumindong wrote: No it doesn't. LA goes directly to New York in one hop. There is no reason for it to stop in Dallas. Like seriously just trace route something on the east coast. I mean look. If you're sitting on the hub in NY your ping should be about 30 to LA (on a theoretical limit of about 26) From Seattle to riot its 12 ms ping against a theoretical limit of about 9. Changing the server to Texas will shave about 10 to 15 MS tops from east coast pings if it does anything because everyone will be going to NY first anyway and then maybe straight to Texas. Man. You keep putting out some really bad information. Just because its one routing 'hop' doesn't mean it doesn't go through those places. It just has a repeater instead of a router. It has to go through some fiber somewhere, and people sure aren't digging straight from NY to LA. here's LEVEL3's major network map. Note how denver, dallas and houston are pretty much the 'chokepoints' going east/west. http://maps.level3.com/default/ There are Major nodes in Dallas. There are Major nodes in Houston. Not just LEVEL3 but AT&T and Sprint and other tier1 ISPs. The issue is and will always be imperfect routing. For the vast majority of east coast users, servers in dallas would actually be a good ~40ms difference instead of your theoretical 10-15ms. and goddam stop contradicting yourself. You say dumb things like "You won't gain any latency advantage from being in the middle of the US and you might even make it worse." then later go on to say "Changing the server to Texas will shave about 10 to 15 MS tops from east coast pings if it does anything because everyone will be going to NY first anyway and then maybe straight to Texas." EDIT:: real world proof... go on any CS:GO or TF2 server and check the pings... | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On August 22 2014 15:08 Kaneh wrote: Man. You keep putting out some really bad information. Just because its one routing 'hop' doesn't mean it doesn't go through those places. It just has a repeater instead of a router. It has to go through some fiber somewhere, and people sure aren't digging straight from NY to LA. here's LEVEL3's major network map. Note how denver, dallas and houston are pretty much the 'chokepoints' going east/west. http://maps.level3.com/default/ There are Major nodes in Dallas. There are Major nodes in Houston. Not just LEVEL3 but AT&T and Sprint and other tier1 ISPs. The issue is and will always be imperfect routing. For the vast majority of east coast users, servers in dallas would actually be a good ~40ms difference instead of your theoretical 10-15ms. and goddam stop contradicting yourself. You say dumb things like then later go on to say EDIT:: real world proof... go on any CS:GO or TF2 server and check the pings... Give him a break, he's an economist, not a computer scientist. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 22 2014 15:08 Kaneh wrote: EDIT:: real world proof... go on any CS:GO or TF2 server and check the pings... I'm surprised it took this long for some good old anecdotal(but great, in this case) evidence to pop up. Back when I played ET/RTCW/1.6, Dallas servers were all the fucking rage, because us east coasters would ping generally between like 50-80, and the west coasters would ping like 40-60, which allowed us to play matches/scrims in a far more fair environment than an NYC or LA server where one team's ping average is 100+ vs the other team's sub 30. I ran tracerts to every competitive server in ET when I was playing it really seriously, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that my west coast routing was not X->NYC->LA, it was X->Chicago->some stuff I can't remember->Dallas->more filler->LA. If Riot put a server in Chicago I would get like 15 ping to it instead of 100-120. If they put it in NYC or DC or I'd still get like 20-30. You can test this shit so easily by going and ping testing the speakeasy speedtest servers spread around the country. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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739
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I do really like the new visual update of client and landing page, seems pretty damn nice. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 22 2014 14:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: If they're sophisticated enough to mastermind a ddos attack I doubt they'll use a traceable IP to post about it on twitter... nothing's untraceable with enough subpoenas and manpower. Plus, by revealing their Twitter, all it takes is one slip-up and they're caught. For example, say one member of their group accidentally access their Twitter with their phone, it's pretty easy to catch them from there. don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure the last guy to do these massive ddos attacks ended up getting caught. On August 22 2014 15:42 739 wrote: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/08/red-post-collection-gnar-changes-next.html I do really like the new visual update of client and landing page, seems pretty damn nice. The "bug" regarding Gnar's W not stunning is (I'm assuming) due to the cc buffering. I hope them fixing this means they're removing CC buffering. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 22 2014 15:38 Kinie wrote: Chicago would be nice, but I'd be hesitant to put one here simply because we experience all 4 seasons of weather here, where-as in Texas it's basically either egg-cooking hot in the summer or a very reasonable 60-70 degrees fahrenheit (15-20 degrees Celcius for the EU people) for the other 3 seasons. If the idea was to get an east-ish server, Dallas isn't changing much. They'd probably go NYC or DC or mayyyybe ATL. Also what the fuck does 4 seasons have to do with server location? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 22 2014 15:57 red_ wrote: If the idea was to get an east-ish server, Dallas isn't changing much. They'd probably go NYC or DC or mayyyybe ATL. Also what the fuck does 4 seasons have to do with server location? Probably cooling system design. Over a year the system would operate anywhere between like 30-85% capacity on average. Easier and more efficient to design a system that can operate within a smaller range. Kinda sucks that my quest for diamond could be foiled by ddos though, but what can you do. 1 week left to hit diamond, and it looks like mornings/early afternoons are my only chance to play. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On August 22 2014 16:35 Amui wrote: Probably cooling system design. Over a year the system would operate anywhere between like 30-85% capacity on average. Easier and more efficient to design a system that can operate within a smaller range. Kinda sucks that my quest for diamond could be foiled by ddos though, but what can you do. 1 week left to hit diamond, and it looks like mornings/early afternoons are my only chance to play. What happens in one week? | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On August 22 2014 17:30 schmutttt wrote: Pardon my ignorance but @ ryu what is cc buffering? Not sure but I think he meant that Gnar's W animation takes a while and therefore it didn't work properly and didn't stun people. I might be wrong. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
basically, it's supposed to avoid a situation where someone is unable to act for more than the duration of a single CC because chain stuns are anti-fun or something | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On August 22 2014 15:08 Kaneh wrote: EDIT:: real world proof... go on any CS:GO or TF2 server and check the pings... fair enough On August 22 2014 17:30 schmutttt wrote: Pardon my ignorance but @ ryu what is cc buffering? There are two types of CC buffering. One is a player skill issue which isn't what is being talked about. This is where you buffer an incoming CC by performing an action that won't be interrupted. Like using Cait's Q so that you're in the animation for the majority of the stun. The other thing is where actions taken between overlapping hard CC will still execute. Its done so that people in high latency situations who react to a stun ability still get their reaction ability off. What happens is that if you're CC'd and you queue up an action. That actual will occur at the end of the CC. That action occurs at the end of the CC regardless of whether or not another CC is stacked upon it. With gnar this was preventing his combo. Because someone would say Flash after getting stunned by his W. Then Gnar would use his ultimate stun but the flash would go off as they were being move blocked by his ultimate and prevent them from going into a wall. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 22 2014 17:42 yamato77 wrote: cc buffering is a window between stacked CC abilities in which a character can act, giving them a chance to change their position with flash, an escape spell, etc. basically, it's supposed to avoid a situation where someone is unable to act for more than the duration of a single CC because chain stuns are anti-fun or something And then you properly chain CC somebody with something liss R>W about a second later and they get off a flash, but still take W damage and are rooted..... Added way more problems than it fixed TBH. Flashes and stuff shouldn't go off unconditionally at the end of a CC. Queuing is okay I think, but the implementation needs work, although it's been like this for years now so I doubt anything will change. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Moving out to eastern Canada for work. Can expect higher ping, unfamiliar setup, and lack of time to make getting to diamond much, much more difficult. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
I started Cloth 5 with Trynd against Irelia :'( | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On August 22 2014 16:35 Amui wrote: Probably cooling system design. Over a year the system would operate anywhere between like 30-85% capacity on average. Easier and more efficient to design a system that can operate within a smaller range. Kinda sucks that my quest for diamond could be foiled by ddos though, but what can you do. 1 week left to hit diamond, and it looks like mornings/early afternoons are my only chance to play. The fewer variables to worry about the better. 4 seasons means you have to have a center able to deal with blistering cold, potentially heavy snowfall, rather sudden thunderstorms, heavy rainfall, sweltering heat and humidity, strong winds and even hail. All of which have the potential to disrupt telephone lines, power lines, or even flood/destroy the building. In Texas you wouldn't have to worry about the cold or snow, and the same threat of tornadoes there is about the same as it is in Chicago. | ||
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