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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 09 2014 22:28 GMT
#1141
On August 10 2014 03:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2014 03:34 Jek wrote:
To be fair that Malphite had zero armor from runes and only defensive trait from the page is scaling health yellows.


that was just a convienent example, obviously i have a lot of fiora games and I have never even come close to losing that MU. malphite cannot hang around until he has the constant dps from sunfire. Really no point in arguing this though because everyone will just call me a dick for responding to some snide comment.


Oh look another VA "i provide biased as fuck examples and say im godlike" post. Original.
Useless wet fish.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 10 2014 00:15 GMT
#1142
If you want a cheap top laner and you don't play top much, Mundo is always a good choice.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-10 00:17:36
August 10 2014 00:16 GMT
#1143
On August 10 2014 07:28 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2014 03:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 10 2014 03:34 Jek wrote:
To be fair that Malphite had zero armor from runes and only defensive trait from the page is scaling health yellows.


that was just a convienent example, obviously i have a lot of fiora games and I have never even come close to losing that MU. malphite cannot hang around until he has the constant dps from sunfire. Really no point in arguing this though because everyone will just call me a dick for responding to some snide comment.


Oh look another VA "i provide biased as fuck examples and say im godlike" post. Original.

Oh look another Capped "I call out VA for something or rather" post. Original.

:p

+ Show Spoiler +
capped pls, change ur sig already
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-10 00:21:47
August 10 2014 00:21 GMT
#1144
to what? :O EDIT: Is your sig the LCS fantasy one?
Useless wet fish.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 10 2014 01:30 GMT
#1145
On August 10 2014 09:15 GolemMadness wrote:
If you want a cheap top laner and you don't play top much, Mundo is always a good choice.

Agreed. The particularly good thing about Mundo is your enemy will typically have to expose themselves to ganks early and often in order to beat you. And even losing matchups can be turned around by them eating 1 or 2 unnecessary cleavers.
Freeeeeeedom
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-10 01:33:15
August 10 2014 01:32 GMT
#1146
On August 10 2014 09:21 Capped wrote:
to what? :O EDIT: Is your sig the LCS fantasy one?

yep

blame wonder >.>

An aside, scips full tanky w max elise is awesome, i'm suddenly winning with her lol.
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
August 10 2014 01:42 GMT
#1147
On August 10 2014 09:15 GolemMadness wrote:
If you want a cheap top laner and you don't play top much, Mundo is always a good choice.


tryndamere yo.

cheap as fuck and is cheap as fuck.
Forever ZeNEX.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 10 2014 01:58 GMT
#1148
On August 10 2014 10:42 TyrantPotato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2014 09:15 GolemMadness wrote:
If you want a cheap top laner and you don't play top much, Mundo is always a good choice.


tryndamere yo.

cheap as fuck and is cheap as fuck.


Tryndamere is definitely harder to play though. If you're in a tough match up and you're inexperienced with him, you'll probably just get wrecked and be useless. With Mundo, even in a tough match you can always just farm with cleavers and outscale.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
August 10 2014 02:11 GMT
#1149
On August 10 2014 10:58 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2014 10:42 TyrantPotato wrote:
On August 10 2014 09:15 GolemMadness wrote:
If you want a cheap top laner and you don't play top much, Mundo is always a good choice.


tryndamere yo.

cheap as fuck and is cheap as fuck.


Tryndamere is definitely harder to play though. If you're in a tough match up and you're inexperienced with him, you'll probably just get wrecked and be useless. With Mundo, even in a tough match you can always just farm with cleavers and outscale.

Is there a single matchup where you can't just e into them as soon as you get a minion advantage lvl 1 and hope for crits?

At least that's how my friend plays him and he got to d5 with it >.>
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
August 10 2014 02:52 GMT
#1150
so phreak is diamond 1 now?
guess i should stop sleeping in
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
August 10 2014 03:05 GMT
#1151
With the resurgence of AP tank tops in general (Gragas, the Cow, Malphite, Mundo), what is the best way to combat it from a top laner or jungle perspective? Not to mention the metagame seems to be shifting a bit to allow pocket pick assassin mids to return if the person in mid has a high enough skill/mechanics level (Faker on Zed/Yasuo, Voyboy on Yasuo/Talon/Zed, etc.)

Bot lane seems to have settled down mostly, what with the FotM ADCs being Koggles, Trist, Twitch, and small pocket picks of Jinx or Vayne. Support looks to be Nami, Thresh, Braum, or Morgana.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
August 10 2014 03:15 GMT
#1152
On August 10 2014 12:05 Kinie wrote:
With the resurgence of AP tank tops in general (Gragas, the Cow, Malphite, Mundo), what is the best way to combat it from a top laner or jungle perspective? Not to mention the metagame seems to be shifting a bit to allow pocket pick assassin mids to return if the person in mid has a high enough skill/mechanics level (Faker on Zed/Yasuo, Voyboy on Yasuo/Talon/Zed, etc.)

Bot lane seems to have settled down mostly, what with the FotM ADCs being Koggles, Trist, Twitch, and small pocket picks of Jinx or Vayne. Support looks to be Nami, Thresh, Braum, or Morgana.

Clench your butt and wait for Riot to try and fix it.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 10 2014 03:18 GMT
#1153
On August 10 2014 11:11 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2014 10:58 GolemMadness wrote:
On August 10 2014 10:42 TyrantPotato wrote:
On August 10 2014 09:15 GolemMadness wrote:
If you want a cheap top laner and you don't play top much, Mundo is always a good choice.


tryndamere yo.

cheap as fuck and is cheap as fuck.


Tryndamere is definitely harder to play though. If you're in a tough match up and you're inexperienced with him, you'll probably just get wrecked and be useless. With Mundo, even in a tough match you can always just farm with cleavers and outscale.

Is there a single matchup where you can't just e into them as soon as you get a minion advantage lvl 1 and hope for crits?

At least that's how my friend plays him and he got to d5 with it >.>


Jax, Darius, Aatrox, Malphite, Riven, Shen, Renekton, etc. Nidalee can be a tough match.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 10 2014 03:40 GMT
#1154
On August 10 2014 06:26 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I build him AP, so 9/21/0, 21/9/0, or 0/21/9 (kinda depends on matchup) with a standard AP page, dring start into either chalice or catalyst and finish Grail or RoA when you can, then immediately get a NLR item. I prefer deathcap but I think other people like DFG. I usually end up getting both anyway.

QEQWQR R>Q>E>W

Lategame you want just a bunch of caster items and one or two tank items, like DFG/Deathcap/Void/(Rod or Grail)/(Sorc or CDR)/(Sunfire or FH or Abyssal or Randuins or SV)
\

DFG is a bit stronger versus 1-2 people because of the CDR (mainly getting your ult back faster) and because of the raw damage increase is so much higher than Deathcap. So which one you get should be determined how how close you think laning is to ending. If you think the game is going to have skirmishes where you fight a few small battles, get DFG. It will let you nuke those people you catch much harder than deathcap(and faster due to cost). If you think you're going to need the full AoE team fight ult right now, then you get Deathcap.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 10 2014 03:42 GMT
#1155
Can you use DFG while Malphite is ulting and is the projectile faster than your ult to apply its debuff before they take the damage?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
August 10 2014 04:18 GMT
#1156
On August 10 2014 12:42 Alaric wrote:
Can you use DFG while Malphite is ulting and is the projectile faster than your ult to apply its debuff before they take the damage?


I think Malphite travels faster than the DFG projectile, so you'd need to cast DFG before the ult.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 10 2014 04:54 GMT
#1157
On August 10 2014 12:42 Alaric wrote:
Can you use DFG while Malphite is ulting and is the projectile faster than your ult to apply its debuff before they take the damage?


I think you usually q first but even if you don't the dfg active burst is so high it's basically impossible to do less damage.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-10 05:25:23
August 10 2014 05:15 GMT
#1158
So I was looking at champion armor values at level 18, and Maokai is 94 (highest in the game tied with Poppy), which about 10 more than the average bruiser and is a whopping 22.4 more than Trundle. Wut.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-10 05:27:15
August 10 2014 05:26 GMT
#1159
Maokais stats are all very high. except i think mana/mregen? but i could be wrong there.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
August 10 2014 05:44 GMT
#1160
On August 10 2014 14:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
Maokais stats are all very high. except i think mana/mregen? but i could be wrong there.

like it matters when he builds rod anyways
Moar banelings less qq
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