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On August 04 2014 03:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
The worst part of sona isn't that she's miserable now. but that she's also miserable to play. i can get screwing up balance because they wanted to change her. after all riot doesn't play internally at a high level so they can't be sure of drastic changes being a nerf or buff. but someone had to play new sona and think "yeah, this is fun". how that happened is completely unknown to me.
I played her and enjoyed it more than before as well.
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On August 04 2014 03:21 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 03:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
The worst part of sona isn't that she's miserable now. but that she's also miserable to play. i can get screwing up balance because they wanted to change her. after all riot doesn't play internally at a high level so they can't be sure of drastic changes being a nerf or buff. but someone had to play new sona and think "yeah, this is fun". how that happened is completely unknown to me. I played her and enjoyed it more than before as well.
That's because you sucked major dick with her before the rework l0l.
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On August 04 2014 03:24 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 03:21 nafta wrote:On August 04 2014 03:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
The worst part of sona isn't that she's miserable now. but that she's also miserable to play. i can get screwing up balance because they wanted to change her. after all riot doesn't play internally at a high level so they can't be sure of drastic changes being a nerf or buff. but someone had to play new sona and think "yeah, this is fun". how that happened is completely unknown to me. I played her and enjoyed it more than before as well. That's because you sucked major dick with her before the rework l0l.
Pls when it comes to supports I have no superiors.My sona was godly when I actually played her.
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I feel like you could sum up new sona with a flash game where you have to tag colorful dots with a circle of that color and it gives you extra time on the countdown every time you do it. The mini game isn't very fun.
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On August 04 2014 03:25 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 03:24 Sponkz wrote:On August 04 2014 03:21 nafta wrote:On August 04 2014 03:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
The worst part of sona isn't that she's miserable now. but that she's also miserable to play. i can get screwing up balance because they wanted to change her. after all riot doesn't play internally at a high level so they can't be sure of drastic changes being a nerf or buff. but someone had to play new sona and think "yeah, this is fun". how that happened is completely unknown to me. I played her and enjoyed it more than before as well. That's because you sucked major dick with her before the rework l0l. Pls when it comes to supports I have no superiors.My sona was godly when I actually played her.
Mine too, especially in ranked 5v5's where kill stealing is much more rewarding due to voice com :3
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On August 04 2014 03:28 PrinceXizor wrote:
I feel like you could sum up new sona with a flash game where you have to tag colorful dots with a circle of that color and it gives you extra time on the countdown every time you do it. The mini game isn't very fun.
And old sona just gave a huge aura.In exchange for having to actually move you get more powerful auras.Only thing that I find annoying is how you still cant target your heal.Should be like the summoner.
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On August 04 2014 03:28 PrinceXizor wrote:
I feel like you could sum up new sona with a flash game where you have to tag colorful dots with a circle of that color and it gives you extra time on the countdown every time you do it. The mini game isn't very fun.
Why do you make fun of the simplicity of new Sona, when the old one was one of the most monkey-friendly champion in the game. Sure, I enjoyed the "look, I press this and you die; look i press dis and imma heal and aura resistances; look, imma speed shit up; look, imma spamming these 0-24, because I won't ever run out of mana, and the auras stack. goddamit I'm enjoying myself so much, I might shoot up another game, because I can do this with one hand only too, just message me if you need a flash ult,"
You actually have to do something here, howewer childish it is. She did not evolve into a difficult champion, but Riot never denied that they wanted to keep the noob-friendliness of Sona. Most of the people like it, some - among Gleeb - consider her straight out op. He even keeps banning her.
I do miss my 1v2, noob-carry Sona, can't deny it, but looking at the big picture, Riot made a pretty good rework, considering their past. Sona is still Sona, just more enjoyable. For most. You are not among them. The only acceptable response here is: bummer.
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On August 04 2014 03:37 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 03:28 PrinceXizor wrote:
I feel like you could sum up new sona with a flash game where you have to tag colorful dots with a circle of that color and it gives you extra time on the countdown every time you do it. The mini game isn't very fun. And old sona just gave a huge aura.In exchange for having to actually move you get more powerful auras.Only thing that I find annoying is how you still cant target your heal.Should be like the summoner.
It felt like sona's active effects and power chords were impactful before. and only the defense aura is innately more powerful. E aura is undeniably less powerful as movement speed over a larger aoe is better for fights or engages/disengages than a small aoe that forces your team to group up together. the Q aura is arguable. at high AP levels, new aura is better, but at low levels of ap its hard to think that 20 AD/AP across almost the whole team is always going to be worse than a single boost of magic damage weaker than nami's Tidecaller blessing due to a lack of slow attached if you tag half your team.
new sona is just run around and play the minigame when your ult is down. It feels terrible to play.
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On August 04 2014 00:58 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 23:24 Jek wrote:On August 03 2014 20:30 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah new sona sucks, you cant go and harass that much and you have to stand next to people meaning you're a target for AoE since you're already squishy
Yo. New Sona full tank/cdr is awesome. You know, you are more spot on than you'd think. I was browsing through challanger support mains, and found this guy on eune, currently #6 :http://www.lolking.net/summoner/eune/36905229 He goes full tank sona almost every game, and even though it's pre-rework sona, they are not all that different. I downloaded a replay of his game (ult seems bugged for sona there, or he did not use it in a 49 minute, close-as-hell game), and experimented three times with it in team builder. I tried to understand how he plays sona, because just copying items would not really work. The biggest issue is hands down mana, not putting a point on e at 4 is a MUST, you can't manage your mana otherwise. Btw, this guy only put a point on e after q and w were maxed. Sure, new E is better, but the passive, man! I'm not sure if he would still go spellthief (sometimes did not even buy one), but maxing q with spellthief (never upgraded) can get you through lvl 6 if you go tanky. The best thing in his build is definetly ninja tabi. Focusing a support is generally a terrible idea, and the best exception was always sona, but man, I was tanking Draven axes like a boss. It was funny when this guy went back for his first buy, and he just bought two ruby crystals then rushed tabis, lmao. He bought wards, of course, just to clear that. I mean, your q will only hurt with more ap, but that would just make you even squishier early on, so you can't really make it a better skill than it is. Howewer, your auras itself are great, especially W - not sure what's the laughing matter abot the shield, it' s actually much better than it's predecessor -, and your ult will always be one of the best ults in the game. I'd like him to start to play with new sona, I'd definetly like to know what's the best way to manage your mana with tank sona, because I don't like delaying E too much. Also, sometimes he goes for the regular support route in terms of items, but I can't seem to figure out the pattern.
i was a pretty good sona player and i went full tank and didnt level E as well
but new sona plays like an aura bitch the last sona you had to play super aggressive and abuse your powerchord+q burst and with a tank build you can do some really aggressive flash ults
i like i say new sona sucks and you then you say they aren't all that different when you suggest a sona playstyle because they are
you can't go aggressive with q max anymore becaues you have to stand next to your adc and its the same in teamfights, you just stand next to people and shield them its a super boring playstyle for me even if its what riot thinks sona was supposed to do before i can only played her becaues you could go batshit aggressive on people
new sona is just like a mobile locket lol fuck that
i like how you disregard a champion you clearly don't understand as easy and boring. if a champion is easy get to a really high rank with it and come back, otherwise its just objective nonsense. The auras happen whatever you do, you're basically a ranged udyr where all you do is add damage and tankiness and you have to find a way to abuse that as much as possible.
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It's like a janna without a knockback and a semi-decent aoe ult LOL. Like i swear, just give crescendo knockback and she'll be in top 3 for a good 2-3 years
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yeah because janna is top 3 support
janna is a massive cc bot sona just has ult and e slow which is kinda shitty. sona is a lot more like nami without bubble. Has a heal, aoe ult, a slow and bonus damage on autos.
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On August 04 2014 03:57 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah because janna is top 3 support
janna is a massive cc bot sona just has ult and e slow which is kinda shitty. sona is a lot more like nami without bubble. Has a heal, aoe ult, a slow and bonus damage on autos.
Funny how similar those 3 kits are now.Sad just how good nami is compared though.
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Also why would you want a knockback on crescendo >.>
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On August 04 2014 03:55 Slayer91 wrote:
i was a pretty good sona player and i went full tank and didnt level E as well
but new sona plays like an aura bitch the last sona you had to play super aggressive and abuse your powerchord+q burst and with a tank build you can do some really aggressive flash ults
i like i say new sona sucks and you then you say they aren't all that different when you suggest a sona playstyle because they are
you can't go aggressive with q max anymore becaues you have to stand next to your adc and its the same in teamfights, you just stand next to people and shield them its a super boring playstyle for me even if its what riot thinks sona was supposed to do before i can only played her becaues you could go batshit aggressive on people
new sona is just like a mobile locket lol fuck that
i like how you disregard a champion you clearly don't understand as easy and boring. if a champion is easy get to a really high rank with it and come back, otherwise its just objective nonsense. The auras happen whatever you do, you're basically a ranged udyr where all you do is add damage and tankiness and you have to find a way to abuse that as much as possible.
I.... I'm so sorry guys. Teut and i agree completely.
my favorite play with old sona wasn't even the crazy aggro plays that were her staple, it was being at max aura range, hitting W, stopping some of the burst on an ally with the resists, and then the heal projectile hitting them right after the burst hits. its the most satisfying feeling when you time it right. followed immediately by a Q power chord nuke on a squishy.
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On August 04 2014 03:55 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 00:58 Volband wrote:On August 03 2014 23:24 Jek wrote:On August 03 2014 20:30 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah new sona sucks, you cant go and harass that much and you have to stand next to people meaning you're a target for AoE since you're already squishy
Yo. New Sona full tank/cdr is awesome. You know, you are more spot on than you'd think. I was browsing through challanger support mains, and found this guy on eune, currently #6 :http://www.lolking.net/summoner/eune/36905229 He goes full tank sona almost every game, and even though it's pre-rework sona, they are not all that different. I downloaded a replay of his game (ult seems bugged for sona there, or he did not use it in a 49 minute, close-as-hell game), and experimented three times with it in team builder. I tried to understand how he plays sona, because just copying items would not really work. The biggest issue is hands down mana, not putting a point on e at 4 is a MUST, you can't manage your mana otherwise. Btw, this guy only put a point on e after q and w were maxed. Sure, new E is better, but the passive, man! I'm not sure if he would still go spellthief (sometimes did not even buy one), but maxing q with spellthief (never upgraded) can get you through lvl 6 if you go tanky. The best thing in his build is definetly ninja tabi. Focusing a support is generally a terrible idea, and the best exception was always sona, but man, I was tanking Draven axes like a boss. It was funny when this guy went back for his first buy, and he just bought two ruby crystals then rushed tabis, lmao. He bought wards, of course, just to clear that. I mean, your q will only hurt with more ap, but that would just make you even squishier early on, so you can't really make it a better skill than it is. Howewer, your auras itself are great, especially W - not sure what's the laughing matter abot the shield, it' s actually much better than it's predecessor -, and your ult will always be one of the best ults in the game. I'd like him to start to play with new sona, I'd definetly like to know what's the best way to manage your mana with tank sona, because I don't like delaying E too much. Also, sometimes he goes for the regular support route in terms of items, but I can't seem to figure out the pattern. i was a pretty good sona player and i went full tank and didnt level E as well but new sona plays like an aura bitch the last sona you had to play super aggressive and abuse your powerchord+q burst and with a tank build you can do some really aggressive flash ults i like i say new sona sucks and you then you say they aren't all that different when you suggest a sona playstyle because they are you can't go aggressive with q max anymore becaues you have to stand next to your adc and its the same in teamfights, you just stand next to people and shield them its a super boring playstyle for me even if its what riot thinks sona was supposed to do before i can only played her becaues you could go batshit aggressive on people new sona is just like a mobile locket lol fuck that i like how you disregard a champion you clearly don't understand as easy and boring. if a champion is easy get to a really high rank with it and come back, otherwise its just objective nonsense. The auras happen whatever you do, you're basically a ranged udyr where all you do is add damage and tankiness and you have to find a way to abuse that as much as possible.
Ye, I clearly don't understand sona, and the new sona is a toally different sona, because you can't solo kill people on bot now. That's like a 180. Except not. After laning, unless you were one of those ap sonas - which you said you were not -, your q harass was meh, and way too dangerous to walk up to a group of 5. You mainly just sustained everything back on your team.
And sona was easy as fuck, if you want to call it hard, then come up with new terms to champs that are actually hard. The only things that differentiated a good and a bad sona were passive usage and how you used your ult. The rest was basic game knowledge stuff. It was really easy to do much, and be the man behind the courtain and go totally unnoticed. Sure, people will remember your ults, but that's all, no one points out if you w power chord an assassin instead of reflex-q-ing him.
New sona is a mobile locket and a mobile talisman, instead of a mobile healing battery and a raid boss at bot lane. Get real, it's pretty funny how the complaint is "man, it was so fucking awesome when I my heal barely saved someone, but now, when my shield barely saves someone, it's just shitty. I mean, it's a shield and looks ugly, I should've let the guy die, really. And back then, I could just mash the keyboards from mid game onwards, so my team had all my auras, not to mention the free assists, when I did not actually do shit, but now I have to interact with them? Also, my E is useful now, fuck that. And all in all, I always did something, even if I did not do anything."
That's how you sound. All jokes aside, I whole-heartedly understand everyone who qq-s about the q change, it was indeed a trademark of Sona's, but you just need to suck it up, there's a reason it is the way it is now. With time, riot might get rid of all the retardedness of bot lane (Morg Q, Morg E, Leona Ult, disabling Vayne).
Edit: and just for clarity, obviously every champ can be mastered to the point it is really hard to mimic that play, I'm not taking credit away from anyone, but if it's really a point of arguement whether sona was easy or not, then we face some serious problems.
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On August 04 2014 06:19 Volband wrote:
That's how you sound. All jokes aside, I whole-heartedly understand everyone who qq-s about the q change, it was indeed a trademark of Sona's, but you just need to suck it up, there's a reason it is the way it is now. With time, riot might get rid of all the retardedness of bot lane (Morg Q, Morg E, Leona Ult, disabling Vayne).
Edit: and just for clarity, obviously every champ can be mastered to the point it is really hard to mimic that play, I'm not taking credit away from anyone, but if it's really a point of arguement whether sona was easy or not, then we face some serious problems.
I don't understand what you are saying. Riot's own demonstration of Sona's laning for the rework makes her look pathetic. Which does not bode well.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-update/sona-maven-of-the-strings
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lol not quite Quinn champion spotlight, but blowing a big ult to even out a trade is lol
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On August 04 2014 07:08 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 06:19 Volband wrote:
That's how you sound. All jokes aside, I whole-heartedly understand everyone who qq-s about the q change, it was indeed a trademark of Sona's, but you just need to suck it up, there's a reason it is the way it is now. With time, riot might get rid of all the retardedness of bot lane (Morg Q, Morg E, Leona Ult, disabling Vayne).
Edit: and just for clarity, obviously every champ can be mastered to the point it is really hard to mimic that play, I'm not taking credit away from anyone, but if it's really a point of arguement whether sona was easy or not, then we face some serious problems. I don't understand what you are saying. Riot's own demonstration of Sona's laning for the rework makes her look pathetic. Which does not bode well. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-update/sona-maven-of-the-strings
i mean they even made release yorick look great.
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I don't really have any problems with new Sona, tbh. I still think she's strong early in trades and super squishy. I like where she's at, not too oppressive to play against and not too useless when she's your support.
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On August 04 2014 06:19 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 03:55 Slayer91 wrote:On August 04 2014 00:58 Volband wrote:On August 03 2014 23:24 Jek wrote:On August 03 2014 20:30 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah new sona sucks, you cant go and harass that much and you have to stand next to people meaning you're a target for AoE since you're already squishy
Yo. New Sona full tank/cdr is awesome. You know, you are more spot on than you'd think. I was browsing through challanger support mains, and found this guy on eune, currently #6 :http://www.lolking.net/summoner/eune/36905229 He goes full tank sona almost every game, and even though it's pre-rework sona, they are not all that different. I downloaded a replay of his game (ult seems bugged for sona there, or he did not use it in a 49 minute, close-as-hell game), and experimented three times with it in team builder. I tried to understand how he plays sona, because just copying items would not really work. The biggest issue is hands down mana, not putting a point on e at 4 is a MUST, you can't manage your mana otherwise. Btw, this guy only put a point on e after q and w were maxed. Sure, new E is better, but the passive, man! I'm not sure if he would still go spellthief (sometimes did not even buy one), but maxing q with spellthief (never upgraded) can get you through lvl 6 if you go tanky. The best thing in his build is definetly ninja tabi. Focusing a support is generally a terrible idea, and the best exception was always sona, but man, I was tanking Draven axes like a boss. It was funny when this guy went back for his first buy, and he just bought two ruby crystals then rushed tabis, lmao. He bought wards, of course, just to clear that. I mean, your q will only hurt with more ap, but that would just make you even squishier early on, so you can't really make it a better skill than it is. Howewer, your auras itself are great, especially W - not sure what's the laughing matter abot the shield, it' s actually much better than it's predecessor -, and your ult will always be one of the best ults in the game. I'd like him to start to play with new sona, I'd definetly like to know what's the best way to manage your mana with tank sona, because I don't like delaying E too much. Also, sometimes he goes for the regular support route in terms of items, but I can't seem to figure out the pattern. i was a pretty good sona player and i went full tank and didnt level E as well but new sona plays like an aura bitch the last sona you had to play super aggressive and abuse your powerchord+q burst and with a tank build you can do some really aggressive flash ults i like i say new sona sucks and you then you say they aren't all that different when you suggest a sona playstyle because they are you can't go aggressive with q max anymore becaues you have to stand next to your adc and its the same in teamfights, you just stand next to people and shield them its a super boring playstyle for me even if its what riot thinks sona was supposed to do before i can only played her becaues you could go batshit aggressive on people new sona is just like a mobile locket lol fuck that i like how you disregard a champion you clearly don't understand as easy and boring. if a champion is easy get to a really high rank with it and come back, otherwise its just objective nonsense. The auras happen whatever you do, you're basically a ranged udyr where all you do is add damage and tankiness and you have to find a way to abuse that as much as possible. Ye, I clearly don't understand sona, and the new sona is a toally different sona, because you can't solo kill people on bot now. That's like a 180. Except not. After laning, unless you were one of those ap sonas - which you said you were not -, your q harass was meh, and way too dangerous to walk up to a group of 5. You mainly just sustained everything back on your team. And sona was easy as fuck, if you want to call it hard, then come up with new terms to champs that are actually hard. The only things that differentiated a good and a bad sona were passive usage and how you used your ult. The rest was basic game knowledge stuff. It was really easy to do much, and be the man behind the courtain and go totally unnoticed. Sure, people will remember your ults, but that's all, no one points out if you w power chord an assassin instead of reflex-q-ing him. New sona is a mobile locket and a mobile talisman, instead of a mobile healing battery and a raid boss at bot lane. Get real, it's pretty funny how the complaint is "man, it was so fucking awesome when I my heal barely saved someone, but now, when my shield barely saves someone, it's just shitty. I mean, it's a shield and looks ugly, I should've let the guy die, really. And back then, I could just mash the keyboards from mid game onwards, so my team had all my auras, not to mention the free assists, when I did not actually do shit, but now I have to interact with them? Also, my E is useful now, fuck that. And all in all, I always did something, even if I did not do anything." That's how you sound. All jokes aside, I whole-heartedly understand everyone who qq-s about the q change, it was indeed a trademark of Sona's, but you just need to suck it up, there's a reason it is the way it is now. With time, riot might get rid of all the retardedness of bot lane (Morg Q, Morg E, Leona Ult, disabling Vayne). Edit: and just for clarity, obviously every champ can be mastered to the point it is really hard to mimic that play, I'm not taking credit away from anyone, but if it's really a point of arguement whether sona was easy or not, then we face some serious problems.
Question: Did you get diamond 1 or challenger by spamming sona? If no, why not? if she's so easy?
"basic game knowledge" is like 95% of the play, you just calibrate it around your champion. Sona had tons of things you can do pre rework. You can play tanky and zone their adc from a fight, zone people with threat of flash ult, flash ult+q power chord to burst a squishy down etcetc
you have no business callnig a champion easy unless you have reached a high level with that champion. If a champion is easy you should be able to produce results with it. Calling a champion hard is just meaningless nonsense if you can't preform better with easy ones with the same amount of practice.
Ultimately through the threat of your spells and actions, every champ does something even when it does nothing, just having auras doesn't mean that much at all.
You didn't go ap sona and you didn't sit at the back. You didn't harass with q because its too short ranged, you wait for someone to engage and then you position for your ult and also q+power chord did like 500-600 damage and you could use it twice in 2-3 seconds meaning you had like 1.3k burst with ult + a cc so peopl cant ignore you creating a large zoning field.
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