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On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc.
Shield will save no one versus high burst adcs, or the likes of Jinx, who just chain cc-s your ad. In these matchups your ad either have to be really careful not to get caught, or harass down either Leo or her adc, so if she commits, you have a reasonable chance of killing someone.
You can't really kite a succesful Leo combo (unless she's 1v2, because her adc is shopping or afk, or sth), especially if you wasted your q. Sure, you can run away, taking free damage, but eventually your hp runs out, or you get zoned.
Edit: oh yeah, adcs with dashes/escapes can screw with Leo, but then again, it's your adc vs Leo, you'll only do your job after she zenithed herself a million miles away from her adc.
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Numbers seem fine, he just has a lot of them.
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On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc.
this is a risky mentality though. if you are trading your ADCs hp for the enemy supports HP you are risking getting fucked. im not saying its not workable its just risky. especially in situations where you dont buy a vamp on the first back, the damage your adc takes is going to stick quite a while, and the leona should have a few health pots. then they just reengage and kill you.
On August 02 2014 00:22 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc. Shield will save no one versus high burst adcs, or the likes of Jinx, who just chain cc-s your ad. In these matchups your ad either have to be really careful not to get caught, or harass down either Leo or her adc, so if she commits, you have a reasonable chance of killing someone. You can't really kite a succesful Leo combo (unless she's 1v2, because her adc is shopping or afk, or sth), especially if you wasted your q. Sure, you can run away, taking free damage, but eventually your hp runs out, or you get zoned. Edit: oh yeah, adcs with dashes/escapes can screw with Leo, but then again, it's your adc vs Leo, you'll only do your job after she zenithed herself a million miles away from her adc.
i dont find "mobile" adcs that much of a problem as leona. you can combo your e q still and stun them even if they dash away effectively trading a tiny bit of harras their support might throw at you for some hp off the ADC, and probably more importantly (at least until lucian changes) you were trading adc mana for support mana. which is a nice bonus too, they cant keep dashing for as long as i can keep engaging. and it probably denies some CS too.
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On August 02 2014 01:31 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc. this is a risky mentality though. if you are trading your ADCs hp for the enemy supports HP you are risking getting fucked. im not saying its not workable its just risky. especially in situations where you dont buy a vamp on the first back, the damage your adc takes is going to stick quite a while, and the leona should have a few health pots. then they just reengage and kill you. Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 00:22 Volband wrote:On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc. Shield will save no one versus high burst adcs, or the likes of Jinx, who just chain cc-s your ad. In these matchups your ad either have to be really careful not to get caught, or harass down either Leo or her adc, so if she commits, you have a reasonable chance of killing someone. You can't really kite a succesful Leo combo (unless she's 1v2, because her adc is shopping or afk, or sth), especially if you wasted your q. Sure, you can run away, taking free damage, but eventually your hp runs out, or you get zoned. Edit: oh yeah, adcs with dashes/escapes can screw with Leo, but then again, it's your adc vs Leo, you'll only do your job after she zenithed herself a million miles away from her adc. i dont find "mobile" adcs that much of a problem as leona. you can combo your e q still and stun them even if they dash away effectively trading a tiny bit of harras their support might throw at you for some hp off the ADC, and probably more importantly (at least until lucian changes) you were trading adc mana for support mana. which is a nice bonus too, they cant keep dashing for as long as i can keep engaging. and it probably denies some CS too.
That's a fair point. Although I always facepalm when an adc foregoes Doran and Vamp Scepter with a Janna support. It is just not workable. You pretty much have to get sustain when paired with a Janna.
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I did not mean to imply that dasher adcs counter Leo, just that they can really mess with her, like in the case with a Janna. Leona dives deep because of the dash, and Janna invites her to stay there, to make it into a horrible trade for her. She won't die, if it's a pre6 fight, but still awkward.
About sustain: I don't think I've seen any adc not start with Doran in the last 1,5 months, and you can just rush ie after that with Janna as well. IE with eye of the storm hurts, and you can always get potions. I hate when my adc buys a scepter just to sustain, I like 2 dorans much much more. More useful presence-wise.
Edit: The worst is still that when my adc returns with agility cloak or what the hell is that called. It's like "look my dear support, I spent 730 gold on nothing!". Is it hard to not buy anything?
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On August 02 2014 02:08 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 01:31 turdburgler wrote:On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc. this is a risky mentality though. if you are trading your ADCs hp for the enemy supports HP you are risking getting fucked. im not saying its not workable its just risky. especially in situations where you dont buy a vamp on the first back, the damage your adc takes is going to stick quite a while, and the leona should have a few health pots. then they just reengage and kill you. On August 02 2014 00:22 Volband wrote:On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc. Shield will save no one versus high burst adcs, or the likes of Jinx, who just chain cc-s your ad. In these matchups your ad either have to be really careful not to get caught, or harass down either Leo or her adc, so if she commits, you have a reasonable chance of killing someone. You can't really kite a succesful Leo combo (unless she's 1v2, because her adc is shopping or afk, or sth), especially if you wasted your q. Sure, you can run away, taking free damage, but eventually your hp runs out, or you get zoned. Edit: oh yeah, adcs with dashes/escapes can screw with Leo, but then again, it's your adc vs Leo, you'll only do your job after she zenithed herself a million miles away from her adc. i dont find "mobile" adcs that much of a problem as leona. you can combo your e q still and stun them even if they dash away effectively trading a tiny bit of harras their support might throw at you for some hp off the ADC, and probably more importantly (at least until lucian changes) you were trading adc mana for support mana. which is a nice bonus too, they cant keep dashing for as long as i can keep engaging. and it probably denies some CS too. That's a fair point. Although I always facepalm when an adc foregoes Doran and Vamp Scepter with a Janna support. It is just not workable. You pretty much have to get sustain when paired with a Janna.
Sustain isn't a must with janna(or any support) that is just a load of crap.1 doran is enough with potions.
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On August 02 2014 02:25 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 02:08 Sufficiency wrote:On August 02 2014 01:31 turdburgler wrote:On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc. this is a risky mentality though. if you are trading your ADCs hp for the enemy supports HP you are risking getting fucked. im not saying its not workable its just risky. especially in situations where you dont buy a vamp on the first back, the damage your adc takes is going to stick quite a while, and the leona should have a few health pots. then they just reengage and kill you. On August 02 2014 00:22 Volband wrote:On August 02 2014 00:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Janna vs Leona is pretty simple even if you weren't fast enough to Q Zenith Blade. Just shield and kite... if your ADC is half decent (e.g. not Ashe) you will win the trade or at least go even even if Leona stuns your adc. Shield will save no one versus high burst adcs, or the likes of Jinx, who just chain cc-s your ad. In these matchups your ad either have to be really careful not to get caught, or harass down either Leo or her adc, so if she commits, you have a reasonable chance of killing someone. You can't really kite a succesful Leo combo (unless she's 1v2, because her adc is shopping or afk, or sth), especially if you wasted your q. Sure, you can run away, taking free damage, but eventually your hp runs out, or you get zoned. Edit: oh yeah, adcs with dashes/escapes can screw with Leo, but then again, it's your adc vs Leo, you'll only do your job after she zenithed herself a million miles away from her adc. i dont find "mobile" adcs that much of a problem as leona. you can combo your e q still and stun them even if they dash away effectively trading a tiny bit of harras their support might throw at you for some hp off the ADC, and probably more importantly (at least until lucian changes) you were trading adc mana for support mana. which is a nice bonus too, they cant keep dashing for as long as i can keep engaging. and it probably denies some CS too. That's a fair point. Although I always facepalm when an adc foregoes Doran and Vamp Scepter with a Janna support. It is just not workable. You pretty much have to get sustain when paired with a Janna. Sustain isn't a must with janna(or any support) that is just a load of crap.1 doran is enough with potions.
no one gets sustain when it's braum/thresh either I don't get why Janna suddenly forces your ad to go sustain
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Braum/Thresh can use targon's passive for a bit of sustain. plus they just all-in your ass and kill you, so no need for sustain :p
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Against a top lane Maokai, you basically need to find a top laner than can do % HP damage or one that benefits from a BotRK as a first item buy. A bit of sustain in the kit doesn't hurt either. Aatrox, Zac, and I suspect Jax can do OK vs. Maokai. I know I've played against Maokai as a Riven, and this was a while ago but she seemed ok, you basically have to shove the lane in early to stop him from getting CS, and just shield onto the Sapling Charges to basically negate the damage from it.
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well i hate to bring up the taboo subject again but maokai is basically just another gragas for nasus he can't outdamage your sustain. Good news for maokai is that he is much more useful past laning then gragas so I still think its a good lane for both.
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So I just noticed that Riot disable Merc boots with Alacrity..... another bug, wtf ?
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On August 02 2014 03:27 739 wrote:
So I just noticed that Riot disable Merc boots with Alacrity..... another bug, wtf ?
boots dont real.
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On August 02 2014 03:27 739 wrote:
So I just noticed that Riot disable Merc boots with Alacrity..... another bug, wtf ?
Apparently buying Alacrity on Merc removed the Tenacity.
Has anyone experienced some weird stuff with matchmaking (EUW teambuilder at least) ? Three games in a row have been a team almost full of diamond against some silver to plat dudes. All three of them were one sided slaughters, even had a first time WW go 22/0/13 (diamond-side, of course) and then 5/0/3 (we were in the same game twice).
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On August 02 2014 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
well i hate to bring up the taboo subject again but maokai is basically just another gragas for nasus he can't outdamage your sustain. Good news for maokai is that he is much more useful past laning then gragas so I still think its a good lane for both.
I think you can make nasus work for his cs, and bully him around for a bit, but its definitely not a great matchup for maokai. Thankfully he can almost singlehandedly stop a farmed nasus from hitting anybody else in a team fight.
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well thats dumb loic because that means maokai is using all his spells on nasus
its not true anyway, but if nasus tries to dive like a retard then sure yuo can cc for a bit but its nothign like what a support like morg or thresh does anyway
letting nasus have like 600 stacks at 25 minutes for free is just a terrible idea because he is pretty much as tanky and does about 10x the DPS rate.
You have a 2 second root and like a knockup with a short slow, thats liek 2 seconds of CC (assuming 21 d and mercs) maybe with 1 more second soon if you have high cdr for Q, and meanwhile he can do like 150 magic DPS per second around him and Q's for 1000 every 2.5 seconds and he can build pretty much full tank so its not like you just engage on him and focus him
you want to pick mao to engage on a ap or something. Point and click roots are really strong for killin the soft targtes, melees who dive in are much easier to target for people like morg with 3 second bind and thresh with his hook not to mention all the ap carry cc and escapes adcs have.
its a really bad situation then though because if you try to focus a soft target and their time dives your adc nasus can clean up easily.
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On August 02 2014 03:51 AetherZucchini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:27 739 wrote:
So I just noticed that Riot disable Merc boots with Alacrity..... another bug, wtf ? Apparently buying Alacrity on Merc removed the Tenacity. Has anyone experienced some weird stuff with matchmaking (EUW teambuilder at least) ? Three games in a row have been a team almost full of diamond against some silver to plat dudes. All three of them were one sided slaughters, even had a first time WW go 22/0/13 (diamond-side, of course) and then 5/0/3 (we were in the same game twice).
I played vs a Vi who was in her promos to plat. Our team was low diamonds and high plats, her team was low plats. Our MMR was more than a 100 higher than theirs.
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My normal games have been super skewed, like even more than usual. Although that could just be because it's normals.
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