EPT[Patch 4.13] Sona Update General Discussion - Page 10
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On July 31 2014 01:40 layabout wrote: Can somebody explain what the fuck kind of logic this is? She might become a better pick so we are going to nerf her just in case this happens I almost feel like Riot doesn't want people to play the champions i like Riot is pre-emptively shaving a tad of sustain support power off, since the decrease of early lifesteal makes support sustain stronger. Nami is already a strong pick in anyway. On July 31 2014 02:06 Gorsameth wrote: They can most likely hang in there if LCS is indeed expanded to 10 teams. Imagine if Gambit gets knocked out by NiP. That'd be so bittersweet for Alex. Apparently, on the BR server, Gnar's title is "The Prehistoric Yordle" since "the missing link" literally translates into "the lost elo." | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On July 31 2014 02:19 Volband wrote: Not sure what I missed. She was already almost on part with the most cntested supports, it's completely logical she gets a minor nerf, while the currently best ones get some huger blows to their face. What's not logical is why Morg's shield still lasts for 2 years. Edit: though the knife nerf hits her too, but that's not much I'm pissed because i play support a lot but i think that braum/thresh are poorly designed. Thresh in particular has been top tier since release. Nami has been below them for a long time but because she "might" become top of the pile they are preventing it from ever happening. Champion strength is not ranked, If leona is better than thresh on a given patch and thresh is better than janna on that patch it does not make leona better than janna on that patch. Generally speaking janna does well in a bot lane pair against a leona pair so if the other team have picked leona because she is strong at the time janna can enter the pool of champions as a viable pick even if she is weak on that patch. Similary if nami were to become a top tier pick or became better than the other contested picks then the other contested picks would change, teamcomps and item builds might change and nami might simply fall out of favor without any changes. The meta game evolves on it's own and there isn't a need to nerf champions in because of problems that do not exist and might never exist when you can't see the future. Plus patch cycles are fast and it's easy to deal with problems that do occur. Arguably Riot make reactionary changes too quickly in the first place. If you believe that being reactionary with changes is a poor choice then the notion of reacting to things that haven't happened yet is not only worse but it is absurd. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On July 31 2014 02:49 Alaric wrote: Anyone arguing that Janna's passive is "weak" (especially if they also think of when it was global) has no grasp of lane dynamics. A bit of extra movespeed is great but It doesn't serve a purpose when you have the lane presence and kill pressure of a mouldy potato | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:03 layabout wrote: A bit of extra movespeed is great but It doesn't serve a purpose when you have the lane presence and kill pressure of a mouldy potato Depends entirely on the toxicity of the mould. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4936 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:03 layabout wrote: A bit of extra movespeed is great but It doesn't serve a purpose when you have the lane presence and kill pressure of a mouldy potato But Janna excels at keeping herself and her adc alive.. So I really do not know what you're talking about. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:03 layabout wrote: A bit of extra movespeed is great but It doesn't serve a purpose when you have the lane presence and kill pressure of a mouldy potato there is literally no easier lane in the world then having a good janna if you arent playing something shit in lane like twitch or vayne | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:06 Uldridge wrote: But Janna excels at keeping herself and her adc alive.. So I really do not know what you're talking about. I am asserting that the sum total of changes to the game has left janna with Janna has significantly less lane presence and kill pressure then she did even at the end of season 3. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:18 layabout wrote: I am asserting that the sum total of changes to the game has left janna with Janna has significantly less lane presence and kill pressure then she did even at the end of season 3. oops! hit quote, I'm not used to editing, sorry I don't give much of a shit about the nami change itself just the design philosophy that it is a part of | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:21 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2014 03:18 layabout wrote: I am asserting that the sum total of changes to the game has left janna with Janna has significantly less lane presence and kill pressure then she did even at the end of season 3. oops! hit quote, I'm not used to editing, sorry I don't give much of a shit about the nami change itself just the design philosophy that it is a part of I think it's fine tbh. Champ diversity for the last few patches has been abysmal. So long as any future patch is only minor, and this is what the game looks like going into worlds, stuff should be fine. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I'm not sure if riots balances team feels like there is a difference, where I feel pretty strongly about it | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote: there is literally no easier lane in the world then having a good janna if you arent playing something shit in lane like twitch or vayne Except having a good thresh/nami/braum/morgana/sona. The more I think about it janna probably last support I would name for making lane easy after soraka/taric I guess lol. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
and jannas gank support is pretty nice, 2 slows and a shield for tower diving. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On July 31 2014 03:44 VayneAuthority wrote: oh my god the bad vaynes after this patch...have to ban her or just stop playing ranked costing me so many games ._. why have people started picking Vayne again? Damnit, I liked it when she was thought of as "shit tier," and honestly, with how weak her laning phase is, I don't think this changes much. Also, there will always be bad vaynes, like me. sorry. ;; | ||
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