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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On July 21 2014 20:09 GolemMadness wrote: Split pushing at lower elo is so brutal. People just have no idea what to do. Sadly neither does your own team so often they just get caught 4v5 and die horribly :p | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 21 2014 20:11 Gorsameth wrote: Sadly neither does your own team so often they just get caught 4v5 and die horribly :p Yeah, that's what I meant. Or when 4 people come up to kill you and instead of just taking an objective, they walk across the entire map to try to help. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On July 21 2014 20:15 Gahlo wrote: Or because it's low elo, the split pusher gets caught over and over because there's no wards in that side of the jungle. Most of the time you don't really need wards it is very obvious if they are collapsing or not.Just gotta pick champs like akali/trynd if you split so you can kill people before you die so it's always worth.Splitpushing by far easiest way to win soloq at any elo. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 21 2014 20:28 GolemMadness wrote: Not even low elo. I was doing my plat 1 promo on my smurf earlier as Tryndamere. I'm like 10-2 and am taking their top inhib. Meanwhile, our team's Kassadin gets hooked into their mid tower, so my team decides to dive and their Trist gets a quadra. Like, all you have to do is pressure someone else on the map, not fight and wait for more than one person to come stop the split pusher. Well that means you got their top inhib, right ? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On July 21 2014 20:40 mr_tolkien wrote: Well that means you got their top inhib, right ? Sure, and they get your nexus by just rushing mid 5v0 | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 21 2014 20:40 mr_tolkien wrote: Well that means you got their top inhib, right ? Inhib vs team getting 4-0ed and Trist getting all the kills... Not worth. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You show it to people a bunch will be adamant that he's splitpushing when he's really not and has no idea what he's doing, he's only going where the enemy isn't to play, in his own words, "single player". | ||
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napo
Romania622 Posts
On July 21 2014 19:57 Capped wrote: My thoughts exactly, but then they start to rage and shit goes down and things are even worse than before. This is at plat 4 MMR. I usually just splitpush when i get fed up with my team running around like headless chickens. If they aren't doing anything useful regardless of what you're doing, you might as well be doing something useful. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On July 21 2014 21:16 napo wrote: My thoughts exactly, but then they start to rage and shit goes down and things are even worse than before. This is at plat 4 MMR. People get mad about everything.Stop caring. I mean just today I had some tf that almost went afk for god knows what reason when I am tristana with ie/shiv at 15 minutes. | ||
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napo
Romania622 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 21 2014 21:18 nafta wrote: People get mad about everything.Stop caring. I mean just today I had some tf that almost went afk for god knows what reason when I am tristana with ie/shiv at 15 minutes. The "I'd rather lose than get carried" mentality is one of the worst parts of soloq. It's like... if somebody is getting camped, can't farm, and feeding like crazy and afks cause his teammates are being dicks, I get it. I don't agree, but I get it. But shitters like that... I just don't. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On July 21 2014 23:03 Gahlo wrote: The "I'd rather lose than get carried" mentality is one of the worst parts of soloq. It's like... if somebody is getting camped, can't farm, and feeding like crazy and afks cause his teammates are being dicks, I get it. I don't agree, but I get it. But shitters like that... I just don't. I'm always impressed when I get carried like "damn this guy just 1v5-ed the entire enemy team as jungle yi what a monster". Also I get carried often in soloq, I don't think I've ever seen someone get mad that they're getting carried though that's just bizzarre | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 21 2014 22:45 Sufficiency wrote: I played a game a while ago (might be able to dig it up) where the opposing team has a Jax who is 8-2 and simply unstoppable. But instead of teamfighting he chose to splitpush all day while we were winning 5 on 4s and 4 on 4s. In the end we won the game. We never had a gold lead in the entiee duration of the game Maybe you'd have won the 5v5s regardless. Had a game like that where I trashed on whoever their AP top was as Irelia, and they had Syndra, Elise, and something like Nami. And Varus. Until the latter autos got strong enough, they were pretty much only magic damage and a bunch of squishies, I could 1v2 easily, and probably (depending on summoners available for all) get a kill before I died/got out 1v3. 'cept the team did really really retarded plays (as in I pinged and told them not to overstay/fight the ahead guy w/o your ults, I told them I could tp on drake but they stayed behind the pit and wanted to try a steal instead, failed, then scattered in the area when the grouped enemy team was still there and picked several off, etc.) and fed Varus hard. Not as much as me, but enough that my plan of building Locket and destroying the midgame fights before he came online was dashed. At that point since they put themselves so behind that we couldn't win the 5v5s (even if they were able to win 4v2 while it took 3 to save Varus from me they'd run away from a 4v1) our best bet was to give up my lead by having me splitpush and create pressure so they'd be able to farm (not fight, they'd have managed to fuck up 4v3s even without Varus), then group up again once they weren't useless anymore, hopefully before I fell off. (That was the point at which they decided to start initiating into the enemy team, and bait me into turning the fight just for them to use that to run away, so we did lose.) On July 21 2014 23:09 Nos- wrote: I'm always impressed when I get carried like "damn this guy just 1v5-ed the entire enemy team as jungle yi what a monster". Also I get carried often in soloq, I don't think I've ever seen someone get mad that they're getting carried though that's just bizzarre It's not "mad that they're getting carried", more "the team as a whole is miles ahead, but they're doing really badly and if they get called out on it they'll throw a tantrum and disregard the state of the game to afk/ragequit/whatever". I don't think they even realise that they're getting carried: they're so focused on their own performance that if they're behind then it means they're (including the team) losing. Had a guy like that, his kda (or rather kd, even) was his only metric. It didn't matter if we were winning every lane after a bad start from him that we helped recover, if he wasn't getting kills he'd whine over skype and be very negative. We would force a 20 minutes surrender and he'd complain because he was 1-4-15 or something on MF, every kill he wouldn't get ('cause, y'know, we got a Veigar sniping people left and right) he'd whine about how he needs the gold to come back. (He had a really uncanny ability to last hit champions when doing jack shit in teamfights too, like getting a triple kill with 5 autos after spending most of the teamfight trying to hide while we did 90% of people's HP. But at least he was happy afterwards.  ) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 21 2014 23:09 Nos- wrote: I'm always impressed when I get carried like "damn this guy just 1v5-ed the entire enemy team as jungle yi what a monster". Also I get carried often in soloq, I don't think I've ever seen someone get mad that they're getting carried though that's just bizzarre I've had a Lulu go afk because he went 0-3 in lane while the ADC I was getting fed was 8-2. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 21 2014 22:45 Sufficiency wrote: I played a game a while ago (might be able to dig it up) where the opposing team has a Jax who is 8-2 and simply unstoppable. But instead of teamfighting he chose to splitpush all day while we were winning 5 on 4s and 4 on 4s. In the end we won the game. We never had a gold lead in the entiee duration of the game this is like 50% of the games i play. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I guess I shouldn't mind getting carried because it's part of the game, but when I'm really getting hard-carried it frustrates me more than anything. Sure, we won, but I don't feel like I deserved it (which is egotistical because the other guy(s) sure deserved his/their win). At times it's just that one guy is so on his game he wins the game before anyone else does anything. It's "hop on the train and enjoy the ride". But when you're getting really bad/playing badly/getting shat on, it's more "you're lying face first in the dirt as the train approches and the driver picks you up and throws you into a wagon without braking". As mentioned some people only expect to be hard carrying their games and it's ego stuff. I'm more about creating space and setting a tempo than making big plays so I couldn't care less about that. But when I'm really behind the only thing I can think is "I was lucky to have someone on my team better than theirs, because I didn't pull my own weight this game", that feeling of being a burden. When I fuck up, my jungler comes and saves my sorry ass who was ready to get whipped some more, and ganks three times in succession to get me kills and set me back up, even if I end up dealing 2nd most damage overall and with a 6-1 kd after that and being huge, I'm still disappointed about my play that game because the jungler (and the others who pulled through while he was busy picking me up) definitely carried me more than the reverse in my view, regardless of what happened after. | ||
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